GRACE Works

In this conversation, Jonathan Reams and Paul explore leadership as an inner practice rather than a performance of control.

They examine the paradox between agency and surrender, the limits of knowledge as information, and the slow, embodied work of developing emotional resilience. What emerges is a different model of leadership — one grounded in presence, attention and the capacity to sit on the riverbank rather than being swept downstream.

This is a conversation about learning to see.

1. Leadership begins earlier than we think

Research suggests traits associated with leadership emerge in early childhood. Yet development remains possible — if we are willing to engage the work consciously.

2. Knowing is not the same as information

Modern culture reduces knowledge to data and facts. But deeper knowing requires sustained attention and presence — not simply conceptual understanding.

3. The danger of downward assimilation

When leaders learn new models, they often reinterpret them to fit existing assumptions. Nothing truly changes. Real development requires noticing more — not just relabelling.

4. Emotional resilience grows through slow learning

Jonathan describes an eight-week process focused less on content and more on cultivating the capacity to observe triggers, bodily responses and underlying fears. Change comes through repetition and depth — not hacks.

5. Control is often an illusion

Rather than controlling the environment, leadership maturity may lie in regulating our relationship to thought, impulse and reaction.

6. Co-regulation precedes self-regulation

We learn presence through relationships. The ability to sit with another human being without an agenda may be among the most advanced leadership capacities.

7. Swimming upstream matters

In a culture driven by speed and distraction, cultivating depth can feel counter-cultural. Yet many are quietly doing this work.

Jonathan Reams is a leadership scholar and practitioner whose work bridges consciousness studies, emotional resilience and adult development. Formerly an academic and editor of Integral Review, he now focuses on scalable practices that cultivate deeper awareness and collective sense-making.

Jonathan Reams: www.jonathanreams.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-reams-08bb2/

Substack: https://jonathanreams.substack.com/

GRACEWorks is a podcast for leaders, high achievers, and thoughtful humans who sense that success alone is no longer enough.

Hosted by Paul Crick, each episode explores what it means to lead, live, and work with GRACE especially when we find ourselves under pressure of some sort or another.

Through honest conversations, lived experience, and reflective inquiry, GRACEWorks invites you to move beyond relentless striving toward clarity, presence, and alignment.

If this episode resonated, you’re warmly invited to explore more conversations, reflections, and practices at GRACEWorks and to share this episode with someone who might need it.

© 2026, The Elevate Partnership Limited. All Rights Reserved.

August Turak has lived a life shaped by counterintuitive choices — from humble beginnings in Pittsburgh to Zen monasteries, corporate boardrooms and building businesses rooted in service.

In this conversation, we explore ego, surrender, depression, purpose, leadership and why authentic transformation is far more confronting than most people realise.

This is not a discussion about performance. It is a discussion about what must die for something deeper to live. You might think that morbid but it isn't, it's hopeful and achieveable.

In this episode:

• Why much of life is counterintuitive — and how leadership demands paradoxical thinking
• The terrifying nature of disillusionment and dismantling the ego
• Why surrender is not a conscious decision, but something that happens when you are “completely fought out”
• The difference between giving up and surrendering
• Why depression may be linked to the absence of meaningful sacrifice
• How great salespeople and leaders succeed by forgetting themselves
• Why profit is a measurement — not a purpose
• How culture change begins with selflessness and shared mission

August Turak is an entrepreneur, author and speaker who integrates ancient spiritual wisdom with modern leadership practice. He is the author of Business Secrets of the Trappist Monks, Brother John, and Not Less Than Everything, and writes on leadership, service and purpose.

Links

YouTube: @RealAugustTurak

Website: Augustturak.org

Books: Available here in Hard and Soft Covers

GRACEWorks is a podcast for leaders, high achievers, and thoughtful humans who sense that success alone is no longer enough.

Hosted by Paul Crick, each episode explores what it means to lead, live, and work with GRACE especially when we find ourselves under pressure of some sort or another.

Through honest conversations, lived experience, and reflective inquiry, GRACEWorks invites you to move beyond relentless striving toward clarity, presence, and alignment.

If this episode resonated, you’re warmly invited to explore more conversations, reflections, and practices at GRACEWorks and to share this episode with someone who might need it.

© 2026, The Elevate Partnership Limited. All Rights Reserved.

Dr Bruno Cignacco has spent thirty years inside the international consulting world, and he has come to a quietly subversive conclusion: profit is not the starting point of a successful company — it's the output. In this conversation, the author of The Art of Compassionate Business makes the case that compassion is not soft, not optional, and not separate from the bottom line. It might just be the bottom line.

In this conversation, Bruno names the obstacles that keep compassion out of most workplaces — fear, busyness, rigid rules — and is unusually willing to call each by its actual name. He distinguishes accountability from micromanagement (the two are constantly confused), and explains why companies that treat employees only as economic units will keep haemorrhaging the people they need most. The conversation closes on a line worth carrying: kindness compounds. So does its opposite.

About Bruno

Dr Bruno Roque Cignacco is an international business consultant, TEDx speaker, and author of The Art of Compassionate Business (Routledge, 2nd edition). He has advised hundreds of organisations across thirty years of practice, and is a Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy in the UK. He is also a Master Life Coach and Master NLP Practitioner, and was named in 2024 by World's Leaders Magazine as one of the world's most transformational leaders changing the face of business.

Resources

• Bruno's book: The Art of Compassionate Business (Routledge, 2nd ed., 2023) — available on Routledge, and physical bookshops
• Bruno's website
• Bruno on LinkedIn:

GRACEWorks is a podcast for leaders, high achievers, and thoughtful humans who sense that success alone is no longer enough.

Hosted by Paul Crick, each episode explores what it means to lead, live, and work with GRACE especially when we find ourselves under pressure of some sort or another.

Through honest conversations, lived experience, and reflective inquiry, GRACEWorks invites you to move beyond relentless striving toward clarity, presence, and alignment.

If this episode resonated, you’re warmly invited to explore more conversations, reflections, and practices at GRACEWorks and to share this episode with someone who might need it.

© 2026, The Elevate Partnership Limited. All Rights Reserved.

Most high achievers don’t burn out because they lack purpose.

They burn out because they’re trying to choose between two versions of themselves.

In this short audio clip, Alice Crozier names something many leaders quietly wrestle with: the false choice between being driven and being reflective and between being successful and being human.

🎧 Listen to the clip 👆🏻from the forthcoming episode with Alice Crozier and notice what wants to be noticed.

If this resonates, the full GRACEWorks podcast episode drops this coming Monday, 24th January, 8:30 am GMT, where we explore:

* why this inner split shows up so often in leadership

* And what changes when you stop trying to resolve it by force

Why not subscribe now so you don’t miss the full conversation?

What if the real advantage isn’t more hustle but GRACE?

GRACEWorks is my new podcast, launching next week.

Six episodes with some amazing and insightful guests get things underway.

This is not a podcast about productivity, optimisation, or pushing harder.It’s an invitation to slow the conversation and listen more deeply.

👀 Watch out for the links next week here on Substack to be first in line to listen 👀.

If you know someone who would enjoy the GRACEWorks podcast, please share this post. Many thanks

Welcome to the last episode of this podcast co-hosted with Asha Singh and myself. Wow! What a learning curve it's been for us both.

From getting to grips with all the technology and learning how to build, edit and publish an episode with scripts, visuals and library music to get over ourselves and out in front of the camera.

It’s been a great deal of fun, and based on the feedback we’ve received, we’ve produced something that seems to punch well above its weight and sit alongside some of the more established and well-known online voices.

Throughout the process, we both feel we have found our voices and managed to navigate the healthy and natural creative tensions that have arisen successfully and with a good sense of humour.

In this episode, we reflect on the common themes that have emerged over the various conversations in Series 2. We originally planned the theme to be ‘The Spaces In Between’ and the conversations have been richer and more diverse embracing many points beyond that, and for the better.

We’ve had some brilliant guests who have offered a wide variety of knowledge, wisdom and perspective to the conversations about regenerative leadership.

It comes down to the need for a shift in societal mindsets and finding ways beyond the limitations of current economic models to move beyond the ‘do no harm’ mantra of sustainability activists to recognise the need to repair the damage we have done (and continue to do) to the planet and its people.

Moving forward, we are both using our skills and experience to embark on new projects, ones that light us up and play to our strengths. In this episode, we share a little bit of where we’re up to next.

To everyone who has watched or listened to one or more episodes, thank you. To our wonderful guests who gave up their time to share their wisdom, thank you. And from me to Asha, thank you for being my partner in mischief over the two series. This is a body of work I know we are both rightfully proud of and will, I’m certain, remain relevant for years to come.

I will still be publishing here on Substack and have a new short-form biography series in the works about senior women leaders once they reach the peak of their careers and how they transitioned beyond that, how they redefined success and went on to do work that lights them up.

📖 To read more of Asha's writing about regeneration and the regenerative economy and society, follow this link to her Substack and you can connect with her on LinkedIn here.

In the final episode of Series Two of the Pocket Dojo Podcast, hosts Asha Singh and Paul Crick reflect on the series' evolution, discussing themes like "spaces in between," early life experiences shaping decisions, and transformative journeys.

They highlight the need for a shift in societal mindsets and the limitations of current economic models.

They discuss plans, emphasizing personal growth, sustainable practices, and the importance of community support.

This is the last episode of the podcast, as both Asha and Paul are shifting their focus to new projects. Thanks to everyone for watching on YouTube and for listening online.

The episode delves into the intersection of purpose and profit in business, emphasizing the potential for organisations to create positive social impact while achieving financial success.

Bessi Graham is an entrepreneur, business owner, Angel / VC / Impact Investor, Philanthropist, Coach, Advisor, and founder of Benefit Capital. She shares her journey, philosophy, and actionable insights on leadership, business practices, and the importance of context in driving meaningful change.

Bessi’s Journey and Philosophy

Bessi Graham's career is a testament to her commitment to questioning the status quo and merging the concepts of money and meaning. From a young age, she wondered why society often forces individuals to choose between doing good and making money. This curiosity has shaped her career and led her to develop a "both-and" mindset, encouraging people to integrate purpose into their business practices without sacrificing profitability.

Key Takeaways:

A ‘Both-And Mindset’: Embrace the idea that businesses can achieve both financial success and social impact.

Questioning the Status Quo: Continuously challenge existing norms and explore innovative ways to merge purpose with profit.

The Challenge of Leadership Training

Paul raises a critical point about the significant investment in leadership training worldwide, questioning why many leaders still struggle to navigate complex challenges.

Bessi agreed, highlighting that leadership is often studied in isolation from real-world experiences. She believes that effective leadership requires practical experience, mentorship, and a deep understanding of the context in which one operates.

Things You Can Do Now:

* Think Like a System, Act Like an Entrepreneur: Leaders should zoom out to see the bigger picture while being grounded in practical applications.

* Real-World Experience: Seek opportunities for hands-on learning and mentorship to bridge the gap between theory and practice.

Apprenticing with the Problem

One of the key concepts Bessi introduces is the idea of "apprenticing with the problem." This means immersing oneself in the context of the issue at hand before attempting to design solutions.

Bessi shares her experiences working in various settings, from high-level advisory roles to grassroots initiatives in places like Papua New Guinea and Samoa.

Things You Can Do Now:

* Immerse in the Context: Spend time understanding the local environment, culture, and specific challenges.

* Collaborative Approach: Work with local stakeholders to co-create solutions that are culturally appropriate and sustainable.

The Importance of Context

Bessi stresses that context is everything when it comes to designing effective business solutions. Understanding the local environment, culture, and specific challenges is crucial for creating meaningful impact. This approach allows businesses to avoid unintended consequences and ensures that their efforts are genuinely beneficial to the communities they serve.

Things You Can Do Now:

* Contextual Understanding: Conduct thorough research and engage with local communities to gain a deep understanding of the context.

* Impact Assessment: Establish clear metrics to evaluate the contributions to society and ensure accountability.

Shifting Focus to Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises (SMEs)

Bessi discusses the need for a shift in focus towards SMEs in discussions about environmental, social, and governance (ESG) issues. She notes that much of the current discourse around ESG tends to centre on large corporations, leaving SMEs—who are often the backbone of local economies—overlooked.

Things You Can Do Now:

* Inclusive ESG Discussions**: Reframe the conversation around ESG to include the unique challenges and opportunities faced by SMEs.

* Support for SMEs**: Recognize the crucial role of SMEs in driving economic growth and social change, and provide them with the necessary resources and support.

Conclusion

Bessi’s insights on leadership, business, and the integration of purpose and profit offer a refreshing perspective on how we can create positive change in the world.

By embracing a "both-and" mindset, apprenticing with the problem, and focusing on the unique needs of SMEs, we can develop more effective and sustainable business models that benefit both society and the economy.

Things You Can Do Now:

* Engage with the Ideas: Consider how you can apply these concepts in your own work and communities.

* Connect with Bessi: Reach out to Bessi on LinkedIn to learn more about her work and insights.

Bessi’s amazing work serves as a reminder of the potential for businesses, particularly small and medium-sized ones, to lead the way in creating a more sustainable and equitable world.

Through thoughtful leadership and a commitment to integrating purpose into their operations, these organisations can make a significant impact on their communities and beyond.

In this episode of the Pocket Dojo Podcast, host Paul chats with Bessi Graham about integrating purpose and profit in business.

Bessi shares her journey and philosophy on leadership, emphasizing the importance of merging money and meaning. She discusses her work with small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) to create sustainable business models that benefit society.

The conversation highlights the need for practical leadership training and an understanding of the business context.

Bessi advocates for focusing on SMEs in environmental and social responsibility discussions, urging businesses to adopt ethical practices to drive positive change.

The episode underscores the potential of businesses to foster a sustainable and equitable world.

Thomas Schindler is a man of many talents and stories, and in this episode shares his unique perspective on life, work, and the vision for a better world.

Recognising the Larger Tapestry

Thomas begins by addressing a fundamental question: how can we make a meaningful impact in a world that often feels overwhelming? He emphasises the importance of recognising that while we may not witness the fruits of our labour, our contributions are part of a larger tapestry that future generations may benefit from. This acknowledgement is crucial for maintaining motivation and a sense of purpose.

Assessing Your Radius of Effectiveness

Thomas encourages listeners to assess their "radius of effectiveness," which refers to the scope of their influence. For some, this may mean focusing on family and friends, while others might have the resources to extend their impact further. The key is to be clear about what one can realistically achieve and to embrace the agency that comes with that understanding.

Things You Can Do Today

* Identify Your Sphere of Influence: Reflect on the areas where you can make the most significant impact, whether it's within your family, community, or professional network.

* Set Realistic Goals: Establish achievable goals that align with your capabilities and resources.

* Celebrate Small Wins: Recognise and celebrate the small victories along the way to stay motivated.

The Power of Community

A significant part of the conversation revolves around the idea of community. Thomas suggests that one of the first steps toward making a difference is to find a community where individuals can contribute their unique skills and resources. He clarifies that he is not advocating for intentional communities but rather for existing communities—like villages—where people can come together to support one another and work towards common goals.

Amplifying Efforts Through Collaboration

Asha reflected on her own journey and the importance of being part of a community that aligns with one’s values. She emphasises that while individual agency is vital, collaboration and connection with others amplify our efforts and create a more significant impact.

Things You Can Do Today

* Join Local Groups: Participate in local community groups or organizations that align with your values and interests.

* Build Relationships: Foster strong relationships within your community to create a support network.

* Collaborate on Projects: Work with others on community projects to leverage collective skills and resources.

Navigating Challenges in Systems Change

Thomas shared insights into the challenges faced in systems change work. He highlights that while many people are eager to contribute to positive change, accessing the necessary resources—both financial and otherwise—can be a significant barrier. He notes that the current economic system often complicates this process, as it prioritises profit over genuine impact.

Building a Gift-Based Relational Economy

Thomas reflects on his experiences in building a software company that invests in initiatives aimed at fostering a gift-based relational economy. He acknowledges that while financial resources are essential, they often do not align with the values of the change-makers. This disconnect can make it difficult to mobilise the necessary support for transformative projects.

Things You Can Do Today

* Seek Alternative Funding: Explore alternative funding sources such as grants, crowdfunding, and impact investments.

* Align Values with Resources: Ensure that your financial resources align with your values and the impact you wish to create.

* Leverage Non-Financial Capital: Use social, cultural, and environmental capital to support your initiatives.

The Role of Money and Resources

The conversation takes a deeper dive into the nature of money and its role in our lives. Thomas believes that money is merely a form of stored potential, akin to a battery. He argues that as we face challenges like climate change, it is crucial to rethink how we use our financial resources. Instead of hoarding wealth, he suggests that individuals should consider how to transform their money into other forms of capital—such as social, cultural, and environmental capital—that contribute to a thriving life.

Shifting Mindsets

Asha adds to this by discussing the importance of shifting our mindset around wealth and resources. She emphasises that true abundance comes from relationships, community, and shared knowledge rather than mere financial accumulation. This perspective encourages listeners to explore what their ideal lives look like and how they can align their resources with those visions.

Things You Can Do Today

* Invest in Relationships: Prioritise building and nurturing relationships over accumulating financial wealth.

* Support Community Initiatives: Use your financial resources to support community projects and initiatives that align with your values.

* Embrace a Holistic View of Wealth: Recognise the value of social, cultural, and environmental capital in creating a fulfilling life.

Hopes and Aspirations for the Future

Thomas shared his hope for the future: that humanity will recognise the interconnectedness of all life and tap into the wisdom of nature and our potential. He believes that despite the challenges we face, a thriving, harmonious existence is possible if we work together and support one another.

Fostering Community and Relationships

Asha echoed this sentiment, highlighting the importance of finding community and nurturing relationships as we navigate the complexities of life. She encourages listeners to focus on what they can do individually and collectively to foster positive change, reminding them that every small action contributes to a larger movement.

Things You Can Do Today

* Practice Mindfulness: Cultivate mindfulness to recognise and appreciate the interconnectedness of all life.

* Engage in Community Activities: Participate in community activities that promote sustainability and well-being.

* Support Each Other: Offer support and encouragement to others in your community to build a sense of solidarity.

Personal Insights and Practices

In the closing, Thomas reveals his practice of "unloading," a technique where he writes down his thoughts and feelings only to destroy them afterwards. This practice allows him to engage in deep, honest conversations without the fear of judgment, fostering a sense of liberation.

Balancing Ambition with Contentment

When asked about his aspirations, Thomas expresses a desire for greater patience and satisfaction with the present moment. He acknowledges the challenges of balancing ambition with contentment, a struggle many can relate to.

Things You Can Do Today

* Practice Journaling: Use journaling as a tool to process thoughts and emotions without the pressure of permanence.

* Cultivate Patience: Practice patience and mindfulness to find contentment in the present moment.

* Set Balanced Goals: Strive for a balance between ambition and contentment by setting realistic and fulfilling goals.

Through the experiences and reflections of Thomas Schindler, we encourage you to explore your potential and take meaningful steps toward a more sustainable and connected future.

By focusing on coordination, vulnerability, and the power of dreams, we can reimagine our societal structures to prioritise life, community, and sustainability. Every small action contributes to a larger movement, and together, we can build a better world.

Thanks for listening!