Shawn Menard runs Seacoast Eat Local, but he is not sitting in a boardroom talking strategy. More likely, he is somewhere in a 1750s farmhouse surrounded by grain mills, barn cats, and the ghosts of farmers past, dreaming up new ways to connect people with their food.

In this conversation, we talk about why “local food” should not even need the word local, how a farmers market can double as a classroom and a party, and why knowing your carrot farmer might actually make you happier.

We also discuss Shawn’s hope that New England can grow more of what we eat, why kale in January is a minor miracle, and why even buying one bag of apples in season is an act of rebellion against a bland food system.

This episode was recorded at the Seacoast Eat Local offices in Lee, NH on June 12, 2025.

Learn more about Seacoast Eat Local at seacoasteatlocal.org

A big thank you to my friend Amanda Grappone and the team at Grappone Automotive for sponsoring this podcast!

This episode is shared in partnership with our friends at NH Rocks!

Music provided by Sneaky Miles

Local food has become a buzzword in recent years. Why does it matter?

Fifty years ago, “local” food was just food. Industrial farming and global shipping made it easy to forget where our food came from. Buying local keeps money in the community, reduces the hidden costs of shipping food across the world, and gives you fresher, more nutrient-dense meals. It is better for your health, the environment, and the people who grow your food.

We’re speaking in a pretty unique place. Can you tell us about it?

We are at Emerson House, a 1750s farmhouse in Lee, New Hampshire, home to Seacoast Eat Local’s office. Next door is a developing food hub that will soon include a commercial kitchen, grain mill, and retail space. It is exciting to see this historic property become the center of a modern local food system.

What is the mission of Seacoast Eat Local?

Our work connects farmers and eaters. We run farmers markets year-round, manage SNAP and EBT programs to make local food more accessible, and create moments for people to meet the people who grow their food. It is not just about buying vegetables. It is about building relationships and strengthening community.

How have farmers markets changed over the years?

Markets have become more like classrooms. People come to buy food, but they also come to learn, discover new crops, and connect with neighbors. When you walk through a market, you see the creativity and diversity of what local agriculture can produce. It is not just food, it is culture.

Is eating local realistic for everyone?

Not every family can buy 100 percent of their food locally, and that is okay. Even small changes like buying local apples in season or signing up for a CSA have an impact. The point is to build habits and relationships that make the local food system more resilient over time.

What inspires you most about the local food movement right now?

The energy. Farmers are using new technology to extend the growing season, communities are investing in food hubs and infrastructure, and young people are starting farms and food businesses. It feels like momentum is building every year.

How does local food bring people together?

Food has always been about community. At a farmers market, you see neighbors reconnecting, kids trying vegetables for the first time, and musicians playing live music. These moments remind us that eating is not just a transaction. It is a way to celebrate being alive together.

What advice would you give to someone who wants to start supporting local food?

Start small and start with what excites you. Pick one item to buy locally each week, visit a market, or meet a farmer. Those little steps often lead to bigger ones. You will quickly see that supporting local food is enjoyable, affordable, and deeply rewarding.

What gives you hope for the future of food in New England?

People care. Every year more farms, restaurants, and schools are sourcing food locally. Consumers are asking better questions. Infrastructure is growing to support this shift. It shows that we are capable of building a food system that is more sustainable, more delicious, and more connected to our values.

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Two days ago, I ran a panel at the ACCESS 2025 Economic Growth Conference, put on by the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce. The room was packed!

The theme of the panel was tactical urbanism: low cost, scalable approaches toward improving public spaces.

Joining me was:

Charlie French, who leads UNH Cooperative Extension’s Community and Economic Development program

Sara Powell, Program Director at the Hannah Grimes Center

Cecilia Ulibarri, Executive Director at Positive Street Art

Sharing the recording here for anyone’s benefit. Many thanks to Lauren Getts and Heather McGrail at the Chamber for inviting me!

Here is a brief summary of our chat in Q&A style!

Charlie French – UNH Cooperative Extension

Q: Who are you and why did you join this panel?A: I lead the community and economic development program at UNH Cooperative Extension and teach at the Carsey School of Public Policy. My work helps towns with economic renewal and downtown revitalization, so tactical urbanism is part of what we do every day.

Q: What is one memorable example of tactical urbanism you have seen?A: Franklin, New Hampshire is a great case. The town had vacant buildings and a tax cap that limited investment. Through a community visioning process, residents reimagined the town with parklets, storefronts, and river access. These small, low-cost changes helped attract redevelopment and created Mill City Park, now a whitewater recreation destination.

Q: How do you handle resistance to change?A: Engage the community early and often. Use temporary pilots like curb bump-outs, parklets, or murals so people can see and experience the changes before committing. When residents see that an idea works, support grows.

Q: What advice do you have for towns connecting recreation and downtown?A: Every town has trails and waterways, but few connect them to businesses. Wayfinding signs, footprints, or parklets can lead trail users downtown for coffee, beer, or shopping. Redeveloping riverfronts can transform them from hidden industrial sites into features of civic pride.

Sarah Powell – Hannah Grimes Center for Entrepreneurship

Q: Who are you and what do you work on?A: I direct programs at the Hannah Grimes Center in Keene and run the national Radically Rural summit, which shares ideas for revitalizing small towns and cities.

Q: What is a favorite example of community activation?A: A Vermont town runs a “community college” week where anyone with a skill can teach a class. It allows neighbors to share talents, from crafts to language lessons, and builds connection and pride.

Q: How can temporary projects lead to big outcomes?A: In Keene, temporary student murals paved the way for community-led, large-scale mural projects like the Walldogs. What started as experimental paper murals became part of Keene’s identity, complete with mural walks and scavenger hunts.

Q: What role does engagement play?A: It is critical. Tools like “idea slams” give people a safe space to pitch ideas and get feedback. This builds agency, pride, and stewardship of place and encourages residents to become advocates for their own communities.

Cecilia Ulibarri – Positive Street Art

Q: What does your organization do?A: Positive Street Art uses murals, dance, and other art forms to drive positive change. We co-create projects with the community, ensuring they reflect local needs and values.

Q: How did Positive Street Art start?A: Thirteen years ago, we pitched the idea of temporary art cubes. The community said they wanted permanent public art, so we started a nonprofit. It has since grown into a statewide movement.

Q: How do you activate spaces?A: We hold charrettes to gather ideas, involve businesses and students in painting, and celebrate with unveilings. Our projects have included mural internships for at-risk youth and adults with disabilities, giving them life skills and paid opportunities to share their stories.

Q: What are your guiding principles?A: Collaboration is currency, so involve as many stakeholders as possible. Relationships cannot be transactional, so keep working with partners long after a project ends to build trust and momentum.

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Kelly Ayotte is the 83rd Governor of New Hampshire, but that doesn’t mean she’s stuck in an office surrounded by staff. You’re more likely to find her meeting the many extraordinary people across New Hampshire’s 221 towns (or, in her own account, by chance at a bagel shop in Lincoln).

In our conversation, Gov. Ayotte talks about optimism as a real tool for getting things done. We get into what makes New Hampshire’s leaders so accessible, how everyday citizens shape policy, and what “Live Free or Die” means to her.

She also shares how tragedy can turn into progress, why community colleges are one of our greatest strengths, and why knowing the heimlich is surprisingly useful for NH governors.

This episode was recorded at the NH state capitol building on August 19, 2025.

Learn more about Gov. Ayotte at governor.nh.gov

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This episode is shared in partnership with our friends at NH Rocks!

Music provided by Sneaky Miles

Summary:

New Hampshire is famous for its citizen legislature and the accessibility of its leaders. What makes that so different?

In this state, anyone can shape policy. You do not need deep pockets or powerful connections. If you see a problem in your community, you can walk up to your representative and say, “Let’s fix this.” That kind of access is rare in other states. People from out of state are shocked when they see a governor sitting in a bagel shop having casual conversations about local issues. It is part of what makes New Hampshire unique.

You talk a lot about optimism. How does that shape your approach to leadership?

Negativity does not accomplish anything. It is actually a barrier to progress. If you approach a difficult problem as an opportunity, you are much more likely to get a good outcome. Optimism is not just an attitude. It is a tool for solving problems and motivating people to act.

Can you share an example of turning a hard moment into something positive?

I recently signed an update to the Move Over Law, named after Trooper Jesse Sherrill who was killed on the side of the road. Now that law protects anyone who might be pulled over or fixing a tire. It shows how even tragedy can lead to meaningful change.

Last fall, former Governor Sununu saved someone from choking at a lobster roll contest. It’s a bit of a ridiculous example, but do you think this says something about NH leaders?

It shows that our leaders are people first. Whether you are the governor or a neighbor down the street, you step up when someone needs help. That willingness to act and that accessibility is something people from other states find hard to believe, but it is real here.

Should heroically saving people with the heimlich become a NH governor tradition? We can recreate that situation.

Please don’t! We want you to survive the podcast.

How do you stay grounded in a role where people often approach you through the lens of grievance?

It is my job to hear concerns, and I embrace that. I often joke that politics is not for the faint of heart. Family keeps me grounded. So does exercise. This morning I walked my dog, Thunder. Taking time to reflect and to be outside is how I keep a positive outlook.

Why do you think New Hampshire ranks so highly on child wellbeing, education, and quality of life?

It comes back to how we solve problems together. Whether it is mental health, education, or economic growth, people in this state get involved and make a difference. Rankings matter, but they are also a reminder that we can never stop striving to be better.

“Live Free or Die” is such a powerful motto. What does it mean to you?

The full quote from General Stark is “Live free or die, death is not the worst of evils.” To me, it means freedom is worth sacrificing for. But it is also about the heart of our people. We are independent, capable, and willing to come together to solve problems. That spirit sets us apart.

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Taylor Caswell is the Commissioner of New Hampshire’s Department of Business and Economic Affairs (BEA), but don’t let the formal title fool you. He is not your typical government official.

In this conversation, Taylor shares how economic growth, when done right, is less about spreadsheets and more about people, freedom, and building communities that actually work.

His team accomplishes this not through control, but through flexibility and a healthy dose of Yankee ingenuity. From rural zoning quirks to pandemic pivots, Taylor shows how New Hampshire’s independent nature creates opportunity and why our sense of community is a competitive advantage.

Also in this episode: why Star Wars might be a surprisingly helpful guide to economic policy.

Learn more about the NH BEA at nheconomy.com

This episode was recorded on June 5, 2025 at the NH BEA offices in Concord, NH.

Music provided by Sneaky Miles.

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Episode Summary:

The economy is such an abstract concept. Humanize for us.

For me, the economy is not just numbers or policies. It is about how people live, work, and build their communities. My goal is to make sure the system gives people real choices about how they participate in something that improves their lives. That could mean starting a business, finding meaningful work, or putting down roots in a place they love. Those everyday stories matter just as much as any statistic.

How is New Hampshire’s approach to economic development different from other states?

In many places, economic development starts with someone saying, “Here’s the plan.” We take a different approach. We go into communities, ask questions, listen, and figure out how to help. Every place is unique, so we focus on enabling rather than controlling.

Why is freedom such a big part of this work?

Freedom is part of New Hampshire’s identity. People move here because they want flexibility and the ability to make their own decisions. That culture encourages innovation and personal responsibility. Our role is to protect that while still making progress on the challenges we face.

Can you give an example of how that plays out in real life?

At the start of the pandemic, we needed PPE quickly. We put out a call to manufacturers, and within days businesses of all sizes had retooled their operations to produce what was needed. It was incredible.

How do you respond to people who say we should focus less on growth and more on fixing existing problems?

I see growth and problem-solving as connected. A strong economy gives us the resources and flexibility to address issues like housing, infrastructure, and workforce development. If we slow growth, we also slow our ability to fix what is broken.

What do you think people misunderstand about your role?

Some think economic development is just about attracting big companies or tracking job numbers. In reality, it is about creating an environment where small businesses can grow, communities have what they need, and individuals have options. We set the stage and let people build from there.

What makes you optimistic about New Hampshire’s future?

The people. There is a strong sense of independence, creativity, and pride in place here. I see innovation and problem-solving every day, and I believe that energy will keep the state moving forward.

How do you stay focused when government work can be slow and complicated?

You need patience and a clear sense of purpose. There are days when progress feels slow, but I keep my focus on the bigger picture. For me, that is creating systems that give more people a chance to succeed.

Why does civic engagement matter so much to you?

If people do not get involved, others will make decisions for them. It is easy to feel discouraged, but stepping back does not solve anything. I encourage people to participate in whatever way makes sense for them, whether that is local office, volunteering, or attending town meetings.

Why did you want to be on Granite Goodness?

I like the idea of focusing on what is possible rather than only what is broken. When we encourage optimism and problem-solving, great things happen. That is how we grow the economy and strengthen our communities.

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What do you get when you combine an Eagle Scout's problem solving ethos with a passion for manifesting housing supply, abundance, opportunity, affordability, and a spirit of optimism?In short, you get Mike Skelton, President and CEO of the Business and Industry Association of New Hampshire.

In this episode, Mike makes a compelling case that solving the state’s housing crisis is the key to unlocking everything else. From workforce growth to long-term prosperity, it all starts with having enough places for people to live. He shares how a broad coalition of unlikely allies is coming together with a shared goal: to make it easier for people to build a life in the Granite State.

For Mike, housing is not just a policy issue. It is a reflection of who we are and what kind of future we want to create.

Also in this episode: what scouting taught Mike about leadership, how collaboration creates progress, and why “build baby build” has become a statewide call to action.

Episode Notes:

Learn more about the BIA at biaofnh.com

This episode was recorded at the BIA offices in Concord, New Hampshire.

Music provided by Sneaky Miles.

This episode is shared in partnership with our friends at NH Rocks!

Episode Summary:

What is the BIA, and what do you do there?I lead the Business and Industry Association of New Hampshire. We’re the statewide chamber of commerce, the manufacturing association, and the leading voice for business policy. Our job is to make sure New Hampshire stays competitive, prosperous, and full of opportunity.

How did you end up in this work?I’m a native of Manchester, and I’ve always had a strong connection to this state. My background is in public policy and politics, but what really drew me to chambers of commerce was the idea of servant leadership. I get to work on big-picture challenges that improve life for everyone here.

What makes New Hampshire’s civic and business culture unique?It’s the interconnectedness. People here know each other. You can meet your representatives, collaborate across sectors, and get things done. That closeness creates trust and makes change possible in ways you don’t see in larger states.

Why has housing become such a central issue for the BIA?Housing touches everything. If people can’t afford to live here, businesses can’t grow. Workforce development, childcare, infrastructure — it all depends on people having a place to live. That’s why we launched the New Hampshire Housing Supply Coalition. We want to move the needle on housing, not just this year, but over the long haul.

What is the Housing Supply Coalition doing differently?We brought together over 30 groups — from realtors and home builders to AARP and regional planners — to speak with one voice. We’re not focused on blaming anyone. We’re focused on getting more housing built across the entire spectrum, and creating state policies that support that.

Why now?Because it’s reached a crisis point. We’ve been talking about housing for years, but now it’s the top issue on voters’ minds. We have the data, we have the urgency, and we have bipartisan support. It’s time to act.

What kind of progress are you seeing?I’m optimistic. There are several strong bills moving forward this session, and cities like Manchester, Dover, and Portsmouth are leading the way. But we need suburban and rural towns to join in. If everyone does a little, we can make a big difference.

How does housing tie into broader economic competitiveness?It’s simple. States are either growing or they’re shrinking. And with 27 percent of our workforce over age 55 (the oldest workforce in the country) we need to attract and retain young people. That means housing, education pathways, quality of life, and access to opportunity.

What excites you most about your work right now?The potential. We have incredible businesses, natural assets, and a unique culture of access and collaboration. If we match that with smart policy and a shared vision, we can become a national leader in innovation and livability.

What message do you want people to take away from this conversation?We’re capable of more than we think. New Hampshire doesn’t have to be the best-kept secret. We can build a future where people want to move here, stay here, and thrive here. It’s going to take vision, persistence, and teamwork — but it’s absolutely within reach.

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In this episode, we dive into the story of Leadership Seacoast, a nonprofit that gathers 40 curious locals each year to spend seven months learning how the Seacoast really works. From courtrooms and climate plans to arts programs and economic engines, the program is adult education for community changemakers, complete with glacier-breaking icebreakers and the occasional cockpit view.

Executive Director Lori Waltz joins treasurer Jennifer Wentworth and proud alum Doug Smith from Kennebunk Savings Bank to explain how the program sparks unlikely collaborations and fresh civic insight. We hear how a class project led to a new facility for women recovering from incarceration and addiction, why a refueling plane ride changes how you think about the economy, and how even seasoned public servants walk away surprised.

This episode is about the power of proximity. When you put people in the same room with curiosity and purpose, you get ripple effects that stretch across an entire region. Also featured: treasuring treasurers, whisper-quiet bowling alleys, and the subtle art of making voicemail hold music not suck.

Episode Notes:

Learn more about Leadership Seacoast at leadershipseacoast.org

This episode was recorded at Treeline Outfitters in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

Music provided by Sneaky Miles.

This episode is shared in partnership with our friends at NH Rocks!

Episode Summary:

What is Leadership Seacoast?

We created Leadership Seacoast to help people understand their communities on a deeper level. Over seven months, we bring together 40 people from across the Seacoast to explore how local systems really work. We dig into big topics like housing, climate, the economy, justice, and the arts. But more than anything, we create space for people to connect, build trust, and find shared purpose. We believe stronger communities start with informed and engaged individuals.

What actually happens during the program?

It starts in December, usually on a chilly gray morning, but the energy in the room is anything but cold. We kick things off with icebreakers that go deeper than most, and from there, each month is a new adventure. We spend full days exploring key issues with local experts, visiting important sites, and having honest conversations about what is working and what needs to change. It is part field trip, part deep dive, and part community-building experience.

Who joins the program, and do people need to be “leaders” already?

We welcome people from all walks of life. Some of us run businesses or nonprofits, some work in local government, and some are just getting started in our careers. What we all have in common is a desire to make a difference. You do not need a fancy title to join. We believe leadership is about how you show up, how you listen, and how you act. If you care about where you live and want to grow, you belong here.

What kind of transformation do people go through?

Many of us start out feeling unsure. We look around the room and think, “Do I really deserve to be here?” But as the months go by, we begin to see the value of our own experiences. We gain confidence. We learn to see issues through new perspectives. We become better listeners, stronger collaborators, and more thoughtful members of our communities. By the end, most of us walk away with a new sense of purpose and possibility.

Why does this program feel especially important right now?

Because real connection is hard to come by. So many of us feel isolated, overwhelmed, or burned out. Leadership Seacoast gives us a place to slow down and focus on what matters. We put away our phones, sit in the same room, and talk about real problems with real people. We do not all agree, but we learn to listen and to care. In times like these, that kind of space is not just valuable, it is essential.

Can you share a story of real-world impact?

One of our favorite examples comes from the Class of 2019. That year, a few participants teamed up to support Hope on Haven Hill, a nonprofit serving women in recovery. One person brought the funding, one brought the design, and one brought the mission. Together, they made a new facility possible. That kind of collaboration is what we hope for. When people connect with trust and shared values, real change becomes possible.

What is the story behind the military refueling flight?

Thanks to our partnership with the New Hampshire Air National Guard, we sometimes get the chance to fly on a refueling mission. We sit in the cockpit. We watch planes link up midair and transfer fuel. It is wild to witness. But beyond the thrill, it helps us understand the scope of the Guard’s impact on the Seacoast, both economically and culturally. It is one of those experiences that sticks with you.

What other experiences do people get from the program?

We visit places most people never see, like the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. From the outside, it might not look like much, but inside, it is a whole world. There are homes, shops, a bowling alley, and a workforce that keeps things running smoothly. Seeing it up close reminds us just how many people and systems are working together to make our region thrive.

How do you handle differences in perspective?

We bring together people who think differently, vote differently, and come from very different backgrounds. That is intentional. We do not expect everyone to agree. What we ask is that people come ready to listen and learn. And they do. Over time, the room becomes a space where we can challenge our assumptions without judgment. We grow because we hear from people we might not otherwise talk to.

Why do we put so much emphasis on creating a safe space?

Because when people feel safe, they are willing to be honest. We make sure every person feels valued from the very beginning. Whether you are a CEO or just starting your first job, you walk in on equal footing. That kind of environment leads to better conversations, deeper learning, and more meaningful relationships. It is the foundation for everything else we do.

What is the bigger picture here?

Leadership Seacoast is not just about what happens during those seven months. It is about what happens after. People leave the program and go on to serve on boards, launch community projects, advocate for change, or simply carry themselves differently at work and at home. The ripple effects are real. Each connection we make has the power to inspire something new. That is how we strengthen the Seacoast—one leader, one conversation, one act of courage at a time.

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A sunset. A longboard. An epiphany. And a plan to save the middle class with tourism.

Jon Noury Elliard was just a guy coasting downhill at golden hour when it hit him: what if we built communities designed not just to function—but to feel serene?

In this episode, Jon joins us to talk about how a lifelong obsession with community-building, a few twists through jazz piano, rowing, and econometrics, and a stint inside state government all led him to launch NH Rocks and Sereno—a joy-fueled digital ecosystem for human-centered tourism. Yes, tourism. But not the kind that bulldozes charm and prices out locals. The kind that makes cobblers viable on Main Street again.

From eclipse festivals in tiny towns to nonprofit-backed housing deals and digital platforms that double as economic engines, Jon maps out a wild and hopeful vision: use tech to spark delight, channel dollars into local businesses, and turn everyday adventures—like finding a hike or planning a weekend—into engines of equity.

This episode is a love letter to New Hampshire’s people, places, and potential. Also: longboards, linen shirts, McDonald’s redesigns, and the exact moment when “this rocks” became a business plan.

Episode Notes:

EXCITED to share that this episode marks the beginning of our new content distribution partnership with NH Rocks, who will be sharing Granite Goodness episodes on their platforms.

This episode was recorded at Treeline Outfitters in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

Music provided by Sneaky Miles.

Episode Summary*:

Tell me about your relationship with New Hampshire.

Born and raised. I grew up in Canterbury, just north of Concord, went through the Shaker school district, and spent a lot of time in the lakes and on the trails. After college, I left for California for a while—but I missed everything about this place. The people, the landscape, the sense of possibility. I realized that if I wanted to make a meaningful impact, I wanted to do it here—where it’s personal, where the ripple effects are real. Coming back to New Hampshire felt like coming home with purpose.

What’s the big idea behind NH Rocks and Serino?

It started with a simple goal: help people find things to do and support local businesses. But over time, it grew into something bigger—a full platform and nonprofit designed to connect tourism, technology, and community development. NH Rocks helps people discover events, places, and makers across New Hampshire. Serino takes it a step further: it channels revenue from tourism into projects like affordable housing and walkable downtowns. We're building something that’s human-centered and mission-driven—not just another tech company.

Why tourism?

Because it already plays a massive role in New Hampshire’s economy—and because it can do even more when approached thoughtfully. Tourism is often treated as extractive, but I see it as a way to empower local communities. One bad snow season can wreck the economy of the North Country. But if we use digital tools to help people explore more of the state—not just the big attractions—we can spread out the benefits and create more resilient towns.

Where did the name “NH Rocks” come from?

Honestly? I just thought, “Granite State… this rocks!” It was playful and simple. It started as a music pun, but it stuck because it reflects the spirit of the work—finding what rocks about New Hampshire and sharing it. Plus, it connects with events, local culture, and the kind of digital-first discovery we’re trying to create.

What’s your vision for the Serino nonprofit?

Serino is about building infrastructure for good. Our long-term vision includes owning mixed-income housing to offer units below market rate, running a digital platform that supports local business, and forming a coalition of planners, economic development pros, and tourism folks—kind of like a more nimble, nonprofit version of the state’s BEA. It’s not about replacing government—it’s about supplementing it, speeding up innovation, and focusing on impact.

What was it like working inside state government?

It was incredible. I worked at the Department of Business and Economic Affairs during the pandemic, and I met some of the most capable and caring people I’ve ever worked with. We tackled real challenges—from distributing ARPA funds to supporting housing initiatives. That experience shaped how I see public-private partnerships and showed me where nonprofits like ours can fill gaps and accelerate solutions.

What does “e-tourism for development” mean?

It’s the idea that tourism—especially digitally-enabled tourism—can be more than marketing. It can be a vehicle for funding real community needs. Think Yelp meets Airbnb meets Eventbrite, but every time someone buys a ticket or finds an event, it helps fund a housing unit or a Main Street business. It’s a way to turn tourism into a flywheel for local progress.

How do you think about community?

Community is what gives tourism purpose. It’s not just about bringing people into a region—it’s about giving them a meaningful experience and supporting the folks who live there year-round. A lot of people talk about the digital age as isolating, but I think we can build platforms that do the opposite—ones that create more connection, not less.

What’s one thing people get wrong about tourism?

That it’s fluff. That it’s just fall foliage and gift shops. But tourism is one of our most powerful economic drivers—and it can be a tool for good if we’re intentional about it. The West Wing might have mocked the idea of boosting snowmobile traffic, but that traffic actually sustains entire communities in the North Country. This stuff matters.

Why are you an optimist?

Because I’ve seen what’s possible when people come together to solve problems. I’ve seen what happens when someone builds a platform not to extract value, but to share it. I believe in local solutions, in quiet progress, and in the idea that New Hampshire’s greatest strength is its people. Optimism isn’t about ignoring the hard stuff—it’s about knowing that even small efforts can ripple outward in big ways.

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This is Maggie.

She’s a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, former naval intelligence officer, a constitutional scholar, and an unapologetic optimist.

In this episode, Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander brings us inside the halls of power—and back to the heart of New Hampshire. She shares how being born on Election Day, raised by a legislator mom and a liberty-loving dad, and serving 11 years in the Navy shaped her belief that public service is both imperfect and essential.

From working across the aisle to pass her first veterans’ bill, to knocking on the Republican cloakroom door in a last-ditch effort to stop harmful legislation, Maggie shows what it means to lead with principle and persistence. She believes in beginner’s mind, bipartisan progress, and reading every word of every bill—because people deserve leaders who level with them.

Through stories of town libraries, Supreme Court mentors, and late-night House floor debates, Maggie reminds us that democracy is a human enterprise. That positive-sum thinking isn’t naive—it’s necessary. And that New Hampshire’s deeply local, fiercely civic culture can still teach Washington a thing or two.

Notes:

Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander (NH District 2)

Thank you to Congresswoman Goodlander and her team for helping to make this happen!

This episode was recorded at the Pembroke Town Library in Pembroke, New Hampshire on May 23, 2025.

Music provided by Sneaky Miles.

Episode Summary*

Why did you want to come on Granite Goodness?Because this podcast is a love letter to New Hampshire—and I feel the same way. You’re doing something really special by shining a light on the people and projects that are working to make things better. At a time when so many of our public conversations are driven by fear, division, or despair, this kind of storytelling is an act of courage and care. I think love is the most powerful force in the world—and I see Granite Goodness as a loving reminder that this place, and its people, are worth believing in.

What was your path to public service?In a way, I was born into it—literally. I was born on Election Day in 1986, and my mom, who was serving in the New Hampshire State House at the time, actually stopped to vote on her way to the hospital. That’s the spirit I was raised in. My dad was a Navy vet who believed deeply in service, but also carried a healthy skepticism of government. That duality—love of country and insistence on its improvement—has always guided me. I followed his path by joining the Navy Reserve and serving as an intelligence officer for over a decade. And now, in Congress, I carry those lessons forward: do the hard thing, work across differences, and never forget who you serve.

How do you see the role of government?I believe government is a tool—and like any tool, it’s only as good as how we use it. It’s flawed, yes. But it’s also capable of incredible things when people act with integrity and purpose. There are moments where it falls short and fails people—my own family has experienced that—but I still believe that public service is one of the most powerful ways to create change. Especially now, in a time of real division and fear, it matters that we show up, listen carefully, and fight for the people who feel unseen or unheard.

Why do you think so many people are cynical about politics?Because life is hard right now. People are busy, stressed, hurting—and they have no patience for empty promises or political theater. They don’t want more spin. They want truth. That’s why I read every bill I vote on, even the ones that are a thousand pages long. I want to be able to look people in the eye and say, “Here’s what’s in it. Here’s what it means for you.” I don’t think politicians are entitled to trust—we have to earn it. And the way you do that is by showing up, telling the truth, and being consistent in your values.

Is there still room for bipartisanship?There has to be. I’ve worked for both Democrats and Republicans—including John McCain, who considered himself New Hampshire’s honorary senator from Arizona. One of the most meaningful things I’ve done so far in Congress was walk into the Republican cloakroom—literally knock on the door—and try to change someone’s mind about a bill I thought would hurt my constituents. I didn’t convince him, but I walked away with a commitment to collaborate on three pieces of legislation that could lower healthcare costs in New Hampshire. That’s what I mean when I talk about patience and persistence. Not every effort ends in a win, but they can still lead to progress.

What surprised you most about being in Congress?Honestly? How little time we spend getting to know one another. We had three different orientations when I was first elected, and not once did we sit down as a group—67 newly elected members—and just go around the room to say who we are, where we’re from, and why we ran. That might sound like a small thing, but it matters. You can’t work with people if you don’t know them. Congress is structured in a very binary way—us versus them, left versus right—and I think that’s one of its biggest weaknesses. Relationships are the foundation of good governance. And right now, we’re not building nearly enough of them.

What’s a moment that made you hopeful recently?Passing my first veterans-focused bill unanimously. It’s called the ASSIST Act, and it helps cut through red tape so disabled veterans can get the adaptive equipment they need—like power wheelchairs and car lifts. It started because a Vietnam vet from Concord wrote to my office. He couldn’t get his wheelchair into his car because of outdated VA rules. We turned his story into legislation. And here’s the wild part: I only started working with the Republican co-sponsor, Tom Barrett, because I gave up my first-choice office to him after finding out it had been his grandfather’s. I asked him to co-sponsor three bills in exchange. That handshake led to real, tangible results. That’s bipartisanship. That’s democracy.

How do you stay grounded in a job like this?By remembering that I work for the people of New Hampshire. I see them everywhere I go—at libraries, town halls, community centers. I carry the Constitution with me because it reminds me of both the weight of this job and the values I’m sworn to uphold. And I stay grounded by listening—really listening—to people, especially those who don’t agree with me. I have family members who didn’t vote for me. But they keep me honest. They remind me that this job isn’t about talking at people—it’s about building trust across real differences.

What is your approach to disagreement and division?I try not to embrace the us-versus-them mentality. When I first walked onto the House floor, I accidentally sat on the Republican side because I didn’t know anyone yet. That’s how siloed it is. But I’ve made it my mission to break through that. I go out of my way to meet colleagues I don’t serve with on committees. I walk into rooms where I might not be welcome just to start conversations. And yeah, some people think that’s naive. But I’d rather be called naive than cynical. I’m here to build bridges, not burn them.

How do you define optimism in politics?Optimism, to me, is about believing that better is possible—and being willing to do the hard work to make it so. It’s not blind faith. It’s a deliberate choice to act in the face of uncertainty. When I say I’m an optimist, I mean that I believe in win-win solutions. I believe that we can fix broken systems and make life better for more people. That’s what gets me up in the morning, and it’s what keeps me going even when the work is exhausting.

What gives New Hampshire its unique civic character?We do democracy face-to-face. We’re a state where people know their representatives. They expect authenticity. Whether it’s our “first in the nation” tradition or our massive citizen legislature, New Hampshire is built on the idea that every person matters. That makes us weird sometimes—yes, we have Dixville Notch and politicians eating weird hot dogs—but it also makes us special. We’ve ratified constitutions, launched political careers, and shaped national policy from our tiny towns. People in D.C. notice that. They know we don’t just talk about civic values—we live them.

What’s your take on the “abundance” mindset and the Build America vision?I think it’s exactly what we need right now. Governing, like innovation, requires removing obstacles—not just dreaming big, but actually delivering. And that means doing the unglamorous work: reading laws, cutting red tape, making things functional. I’m part of the Build America caucus because I want to be part of the group that makes government work again. I don’t care about labels—I care about outcomes. And I think that mindset, of abundance and possibility, is our best path forward.

What’s your long-term vision for your time in Congress?I want to be someone who listens well, who learns constantly, and who never forgets where I come from. Whether it’s housing, healthcare, veterans’ services, or beyond, I want to keep showing up with integrity and intention. I know I won’t always win. But if I can keep finding ways to make progress—big or small—for the people I serve, that’s what success looks like to me. I’m not here to be famous. I’m here to be useful.

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This is Maggie.

She’s a U.S. Senator, a former New Hampshire governor, and a steadfast believer in the power of democracy to improve lives.

In this episode, Senator Maggie Hassan reflects on the values that shaped her—from her parents’ example of public service to her own journey as a mom, advocate, and leader. She shares why optimism isn’t fluff—it’s fuel. And how New Hampshire’s spirit of direct engagement, pragmatism, and neighborly accountability offers a model for national renewal.

With stories that span from World War II battlefields to grocery store conversations, Maggie makes the case that freedom, service, and civic connection aren’t just ideals—they’re responsibilities.

She believes skepticism is healthy, cynicism is dangerous, and that real change starts when we see each other not as partisans or politicians, but as people.

Notes:

Senator Maggie Hassan

Thank you to Senator Hassan and her team for helping to make this happen!

This episode was recorded at Senator Hassan’s office in Manchester, NH.

Music provided by Sneaky Miles.

Episode Summary*

Why did you want to come on the podcast?Because this show is about something I care deeply about: the idea that optimism can be a force for real change. Too often, our public conversations are dominated by fear or division. Granite Goodness flips that script—it highlights people who are showing up, solving problems, and making their communities stronger. That’s the New Hampshire I know and love, and I wanted to be part of that story.

How do you define optimism in the context of public service?To me, optimism isn't about blind positivity—it’s about believing that every person has value and that together we can build something better. In a democracy, that belief is foundational. It means trusting that good ideas can come from anywhere, that people are capable of change, and that the future can be shaped—not just endured. It’s not naive. It’s a choice to act, even when the path forward is hard.

Why do you think New Hampshire plays such a unique role in shaping civic life?New Hampshire has this incredible culture of direct engagement. People here don’t wait for someone else to fix things—we pitch in. Whether it’s serving on a school board, showing up to a town hall, or stopping a senator in the grocery store, Granite Staters take ownership of their communities. That culture has influenced me profoundly throughout my career—and I think it sets an example for the country.

What do you think fuels the growing disconnect people feel from government and politics?I think people feel disillusioned because they don’t see results, or they don’t feel heard. And that disconnect is made worse by a national narrative that treats politics as a sport instead of a public trust. I always try to remind people: skepticism is healthy. Ask tough questions. Demand accountability. But don’t let that turn into cynicism—because cynicism convinces us not to care, and democracy can’t survive apathy.

What personal experience shaped your belief in what government can do?My son Ben, who has very severe cerebral palsy, changed everything for me. When he was born, we didn’t know what his future would hold. But because of the advocacy and policies put in place by people who believed in inclusion—people who came before us—he was able to go to school, make friends, and be part of a community. That’s not just personal. That’s democracy in action. That’s what happens when people decide everyone deserves a fair shot.

How is New Hampshire perceived by your colleagues and peers nationally?People know us for our motto—Live Free or Die—but more than that, they admire our civic engagement. We’re small but mighty. Whether it’s the first-in-the-nation primary or just the way people here hold their leaders accountable, New Hampshire has a reputation for being thoughtful, principled, and deeply connected to the democratic process. We punch above our weight—and that’s something I take pride in.

What are some stories that keep you hopeful in this work?Every month I get to name a Granite Stater of the Month. These are people who see a need and do something about it—often quietly, without fanfare. A six-year-old picking up trash during the pandemic. A teen teaching free coding classes. A healthcare worker who started a food program for cancer patients. These are the stories I carry with me. They remind me what’s possible when people lead with compassion and purpose.

What do you say to people who feel their voice doesn’t matter anymore?I understand that feeling, and I don’t dismiss it. But I always say: come talk to us. Reach out. Show up to a roundtable, send an email, come to a town hall. New Hampshire is one of the few places left where your elected officials are still your neighbors—and that means your voice truly can shape policy. We may not fix everything overnight, but you will be heard. That matters.

What makes civic life in New Hampshire so special to you?It’s the proximity. It’s the fact that if you’re frustrated about something, you can probably talk to the person responsible within a week—maybe even at the hardware store. There’s no ivory tower here. Public service is viewed as a community job, not celebrity. That humility and accessibility is baked into our culture, and I think it’s one of our greatest strengths.

Where do you find hope when things feel heavy or uncertain?In people. In small acts of service and connection. And yes, also in routines—exercise, crossword puzzles, music. But mostly, I find hope in seeing how many people quietly show up every day to make their communities better. That’s where the real work of democracy happens. Not in grand speeches, but in persistence and care.

What concerns you most about the current moment in American democracy?That we forget how fragile this all is. Democracy isn’t self-sustaining—it depends on us. On institutions, yes, but also on norms, trust, and participation. If we let cynicism win, if we stop believing in each other, we lose something precious. That’s why I care so much about protecting the rule of law, the right to vote, and the ability to speak freely. These aren’t abstract ideals—they’re the scaffolding for everything else.

What does being an optimist look like in practice for you?It means choosing to engage. Choosing to believe that progress is possible. It means showing up, listening, and trying again—even when things are hard. I’m an optimist because I’ve seen what’s possible when people come together with shared purpose. And because I know the power of communities like ours, who keep showing up for each other.

What’s your message to young people or emerging leaders in New Hampshire?Your voice matters more than you know. Don’t wait until you feel perfectly qualified—none of us are. Bring your values, your curiosity, your energy. We need it. This state, this country, our democracy—it’s yours to shape. And there’s no better place to start than here.

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This is Jennifer.

She’s a legal aid attorney turned policy strategist, and one of the sharpest minds working to solve one of New Hampshire’s toughest challenges: the high cost of healthcare.

As Director of the New Hampshire Health Cost Initiative, Jennifer Frizzell is building something rare—a long-view, inclusive, statewide conversation about how to rein in healthcare costs without sacrificing care. She doesn’t shy away from tough questions, like why costs are skyrocketing or how consolidation is reshaping care access. But her focus is always forward.

From her early advocacy in Berlin’s legal aid clinics to championing upstream solutions across sectors, Jennifer brings a deep moral clarity and a fierce belief that we can—and must—do better. She knows this isn’t just about balance sheets; it’s about babies no longer born in rural hospitals, families choosing between care and housing, and the simple, radical idea that healthcare should work for everyone.

Jennifer Frizzell is a systems-thinker and “upstreamist” with a mission: bend the cost curve, build trust, and chart a more abundant future for New Hampshire.

Notes:

This episode was produced in partnership with NH Possible, focusing on the NH Health Cost Initiative.

NH Possible is a collaboration between:

* Health Strategies of NH

* NH Health Cost Initiative

* HealthForce NH

* Foundation for Healthy Communities

* NH Center for Justice & Equity

* NH Fiscal Policy Institute

* and NH Businesses for Social Responsibility

Together, they are building a statewide movement envisioning a New Hampshire where individuals, families, communities and businesses all have what they need to thrive, including a sense of belonging, opportunities for civic engagement, optimal health, and access to educational and financial opportunity.

Recorded at the Endowment for Health office in Concord, NH.

Music provided by Sneaky Miles.

Episode Summary*

What is the New Hampshire Health Cost Initiative?It’s a collaborative effort to understand and address the rising cost of healthcare in the state. We’re building a movement—connecting stakeholders across sectors to find transparent, inclusive solutions that bring costs down without sacrificing care.

What is New Hampshire Possible, and how does it relate to your work?New Hampshire Possible is about building a broader vision for economic and social well-being in the state. The Health Cost Initiative is one pillar of that—because healthcare is deeply tied to housing, workforce, and community vitality. Together, we’re working toward a future where all Granite Staters can thrive.

Why is healthcare so expensive in New Hampshire?There’s no single answer. It’s a combination of workforce shortages, hospital consolidation, aging demographics, and administrative complexity. But a major driver is the shift toward for-profit motives and the lack of transparency in where our dollars actually go.

What’s different about your approach?We’re playing the long game. This isn’t about quick wins in one legislative session—it’s about building a shared vision and aligning people around meaningful reform. We’re focused on transparency, consumer protection, and investing in primary and preventive care.

How did you get into this work?I started as a legal aid attorney in Berlin, NH, helping people navigate basic needs like housing and healthcare. One of my first cases was a family about to lose their home because of a hospital bill. That experience showed me how interconnected these systems are—and how policy change can prevent that kind of harm.

What’s something people don’t realize about healthcare costs?That the system often punishes people twice. You get sick, then get buried in paperwork, fees, and confusion. People are exhausted just trying to understand their bills—and that mistrust makes real reform harder.

What are some solutions you’re advocating for?We’re pushing for better oversight, more investment in primary care, and creating a statewide consumer advocate program—someone to help individuals navigate care, understand their rights, and spot systemic failures that need policy change.

What does it mean to be an “upstreamist”?It means addressing the root causes instead of reacting downstream. I want to change the system so that people don’t have to fight for care or face bankruptcy because of an accident. That means designing healthcare around prevention, fairness, and people’s real lives.

How does healthcare consolidation affect us?When hospitals and provider groups merge, costs often go up and local decision-making goes down. You lose community control and transparency. People feel disconnected from the systems that are supposed to serve them.

Why is this work urgent right now?Because we’re at a tipping point. Costs are outpacing wages, care is harder to access, and people are losing faith in the system. But there’s still time to shift course—if we act collaboratively and intentionally.

What role does New Hampshire’s culture play?New Hampshire values local control and accountability—direct democracy is in our DNA. That’s what we’re trying to bring into healthcare: more community voice, more transparency, and more decisions made close to home.

How does this connect to the broader economy?Skyrocketing healthcare costs hurt families and businesses alike. They affect workforce retention, rural development, and quality of life. If we want to grow our economy and keep communities vibrant, we have to fix this system.

What gives you hope?The people. I see business leaders, patients, advocates, and policymakers who are ready to have hard conversations and move forward together. We have enough resources—we just need the will and coordination to use them differently.

*This episode summary was generated by an AI analyzing a transcript of the interview. The questions, wording, and written meaning of particular sections may contain slight differences to the original conversation. We include these summaries to give listeners a brief, readable synopsis of the episode. The full episode transcript is available on granitegoodness.com.

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