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Myrna Lewis has spent more than thirty years working with leaders, teams and governments around the world on exactly this. She built the Lewis Deep Democracy methodology while helping organisations through South Africa's transition out of apartheid, and the tools have been in use since 1993.

She shares what the resistance line is: the six stages a group moves through when something isn't being said, from a sarcastic joke all the way to "I'll kill you or I'll leave you."

If you've ever left a meeting where everyone agreed but you felt nobody meant it, you're not the only one.

Myrna Lewis is CEO and co-founder of Lewis Deep Democracy, a clinical psychologist, and an Ashoka Fellow.

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In this episode we speak with Andrew White, from YT Advisory, about why geopolitics is no longer a background issue for business, it’s a core strategic risk. 

Andrew breaks down how global power, trade, security, and technology shape business outcomes, and why leaders need to look beyond cost and efficiency toward resilience.

The conversation explores the changing role of global institutions like the UN and WTO, the impact of shifting alliances, and the growing pressure on Australian businesses from supply chain disruption, energy insecurity, and climate-related risk. 

Andrew also shared a practical framework for stress-testing business models using upstream and downstream value chains, plus the importance of thinking in terms of speed and duration of shocks.

If you want to understand how to prepare for a more volatile world, this episode offers a sharp, accessible guide to the risks and decisions that will matter most over the next few years.

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Rob Swan was the first person in history to walk to both the North and South Poles. He joins Loreto and Dan to talk about the continent nobody owns, and the treaty decision that determines what happens to it. In 1991,  the world agreed to leave Antarctica alone as a natural reserve for science and peace. From 2041, that agreement can start to be reopened. Rob has spent 35 years on a promise he made to Jacques Cousteau to make sure it isn't.

These days he spends more time in boardrooms than on the ice, working with business leaders on the skills he reckons they're worst at: telling a story and inspiring people who aren't already convinced. His argument is that industry can move faster on this than governments can, because a business survives by staying in business.

You can find Rob at:
Rob Swan — https://www.robertswan.comThe 2041 Foundation — https://2041foundation.org

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Chris De Cuyper, managing director of Fremantle Seaweed, joins us to unpack asparagopsis, the red seaweed CSIRO discovered almost by accident, and the six-year journey to actually grow it at scale off the WA coast. We get into the science of how it works, why methane is the "low-hanging fruit" of climate action, and what it takes to turn a lab result into a commercial supply chain cattle farmers can actually use.

Chris also opens up on the funding journey, angel investment, equity crowdfunding, government grants, and where carbon credits fit into scaling a seaweed farm to thousands of hectares.

A great one for anyone who thinks climate solutions have to be complicated. Sometimes it's just seaweed.

Learn more:
Fremantle Seaweed
fremantleseaweed.com

CSIRO Research
https://publications.csiro.au/publications/publication/PIcsiro:EP197572

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Nic Seton is the CEO of Parents for Climate, the grassroots group that took on EnergyAustralia over "carbon neutral" greenwashing, and won.

In this episode, Nic joins Loreto and Dan to unpack what that landmark case really means for carbon offsets, ESG claims and corporate Australia in the era of mandatory climate disclosures. He also makes the case that parents are one of the most powerful and most overlooked forces for climate action in the country.

We get into:

•  the EnergyAustralia greenwashing case and the signal it sends on carbon offsets
• the "kids test" to pressure-test any climate decision at work
• how being a parent at work is a climate superpower
• how to get your business and community ready for a changing climate without burning out

Resources
Parents for Climate
https://www.parentsforclimate.org

The landmark EnergyAustralia Greenwashing Case
https://www.parentsforclimate.org/landmark_greenwashing_legal_case
https://equitygenerationlawyers.com/case/ap4ca-v-energyaustralia/

Nick's Recommendation
Pop Culture Parenting Podcast
https://pop-culture-parenting.simplecast.com

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Sustainability work is meaningful, but it can also break you. In this episode, we sit down with Courtney Kovac and Georgia Monaghan, co-founders of EcoMind, to talk about what happens when the people trying to save the planet burn out trying to do it.

Georgia and Courtney bring very different journeys to this conversation, one from climate law and consulting, one from youth mental health. Together they've built something that sits right at the intersection: practical tools for navigating the emotional toll of living and working through a climate crisis.

We talk about the difference between overwork and burnout, how to find agency when the outcomes feel out of your control, and why hope isn't naive, it's necessary. 

If you've ever felt like what you're doing isn't enough, this one's for you.

EcoMind https://www.ecomind.au/

Corporate & team enquiries https://www.ecomind.au/work-with-us

Courtney and Georgia's Recommendations

Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet (Thich Nhat Hanh)

Where the Light Gets In (Ben Crowe)

Build a Ballot Tegan Lerm & Lizzie Hedding

Climate Writers Eezu Tan 

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Our guest in this episode is Darren Umbers, MD ANZ and Global Head of Sustainability and ESG at Performance Health. 

We loved hearing about how Darren's path into ESG wasn't a straight line. He trained as a biomedical scientist, spent years on the commercial side of healthcare, and decided to come back to sustainability during COVID, when he had the space to realise he could use his influence for good.  Now he's leading the climate strategy for a 
global business from Australia. 

A few highlights you'll hear: 

• How the leader of an Australian subsidiary ended up leading global ESG
• A supplier engagement story every sustainability practitioner will recognise: a 25-page supplier survey that got no responses (and how he turned that around!) 
• Why climate data has become a condition of trade.
• How to build a climate champions network inside the company.

Whether you're navigating mandatory reporting, leading sustainability inside a multinational, or being handed an ESG remit on top of your existing role, there will be something of interest for you! 

Resources

Performance Health: https://www.performancehealth.com

Darren's Recommendations

Good Citizens Eyewear: https://www.goodcitizens.com.au

TEDxMelbourne "The World Doesn't Need More Ideas, It Needs Braver Failures": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVisudE7l8c

Fix the News (formerly Future Crunch): https://fixthenews.com

UK emissions at their lowest in over 150 years (Carbon Brief): https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-emissions-fall-2-4-in-2025-as-coal-hits-400-year-low/

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Hudson Worsley, Chair of MECLA (the Materials and Embodied Carbon Leaders' Alliance) joins us to unpack embodied carbon in construction. The emissions baked into every building, bridge, and data centre before they're even switched on. And how in Australia, construction sits at the centre of the net zero transition that almost no one is talking about.

Hudson helped set up MECLA five years ago with WWF-Australia. It now brings together more than 160 partners across construction, infrastructure, government, and finance to drive down embodied carbon in concrete, steel, aluminium, and the buildings they go into.

We get into:

• Why government procurement is the single biggest lever for change in Australian construction, and why outcome-based targets beat input-based ones
• The impact of the data centre boom 
• Why concrete alone accounts for around 8% of global emissions, and would be the fourth-largest emitting country in the world if it were one
• Why "no" doesn't mean "never" when you're asking for low-emission materials, and how persistence has driven down the cost premium on low-carbon cement
• How the Anzac Bridge, built around the Sydney Olympics with 65% recycled industrial waste in its pillars, was quietly 30 years ahead of its time
• What AASB S2 mandatory climate reporting means for Scope 3 emissions across the construction value chain

Hudson's call to action is simple. Ask the embodied carbon question. Then ask it again. And again.

RESOURCES

MECLA (Materials and Embodied Carbon Leaders' Alliance): https://mecla.org.au

MECLA Report on Reducing Embodied Carbon in Data Centre Delivery: https://mecla.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/MECLA-Report-on-Reducing-Embodied-Carbon-in-Data-Centre-Delivery.pdf

National Climate Risk Assessment: https://www.dcceew.gov.au/climate-change/policy/national-climate-risk-assessment

Green Building Council of Australia: https://new.gbca.org.au

NABERS Embodied Carbon: https://www.nabers.gov.au/ratings/our-ratings/nabers-embodied-carbon

HUDSON'S RECOMMENDATION

Outrage + Optimism podcast with Christiana Figueres: https://www.outrageandoptimism.org

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In a year defined by geopolitical volatility, fragmented climate policy and the rapid rise of AI, what should corporate leaders actually be paying attention to?

Dr. Matthew Bell, Group CEO of Anthesis, one of the world's largest sustainability consultancies, joins us to unpack the megatrends reshaping business, climate risk and sustainability in 2026.

From why TCFD quietly changed corporate decision-making to how Asia is out-competing the West on decarbonisation, Matt lays out what's actually moving the needle.. and what's not.

We also get into:

• Why the world's largest insurers and defence forces are the ones raising the loudest alarms.
• The $1.5 trillion AI investment vs the $700 billion nature funding gap.
• Australia's pattern of inventing breakthrough climate tech.. and letting others commercialise it.
• What separates companies leading on climate from those falling behind, and the concept of ROI Squared.
• The oil and gas client that set a genuine net zero strategy.. and what happened next.

A conversation for anyone working at the intersection of business, climate and capital.

Resources 

• Dr. Matthew Bell, Group CEO Anthesis Group: https://www.anthesisgroup.com/au/
• Sustainability in 2026: Top Priorities for APAC Leaders (Matt's article): https://www.anthesisgroup.com/au/insights/sustainability-in-2026-top-priorities-for-apac-leaders/
• TCFD (Task Force on Climate-related Financial Disclosures): https://www.fsb-tcfd.org/
• Asian Development Bank — Asia-Pacific Climate Report 2025: https://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/publication/1094721/asia-pacific-climate-report-2025.pdf
• IEA World Energy Outlook: https://www.iea.org/reports/world-energy-outlook-2025
• Jonathon Porrit
  Love, Anger and Betrayal 
• Sustainability Business Live: 3rd & 4th June, Melbourne

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In this episode, we sit down with Mick Liubinskas, Partner at Melomys and founder of Climate Salad and one of Australia's most connected voices in climate tech, to unpack why world-class Australian research so often fails to commercialise locally. With nine years bridging startups, clean tech, and corporate innovation, Mick shares hard-won lessons from Silicon Valley and Australia's own ecosystem of 800+ climate startups.

We explore how AI is transforming climate solutions, from grid optimisation and battery chemistry to biological applications like algae and phytoplankton. We dig into the structural barriers holding back local adoption, including procurement complexity, small-market dynamics, and corporate risk aversion. And we make the case for sustainability leaders to step up as innovation brokers, connecting founders with the right people, budgets, and problems inside their organisations.

Whether you're a sustainability professional navigating mandatory reporting, a corporate leader weighing build-versus-buy decisions, or just curious about where AI meets climate action, this episode is packed with practical insight.

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