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s-m-e-n-o-r not whatever I kept saying ugh
Episode Transcript
Hey there I'm Scott and this is Tangents.
Well it is Tuesday, October 7th, 2025.
You might know that date because two years ago, two years is a long fucking time and it's yet a blink.
And obviously October 7th, it started in 1948 almost, well almost 80 years ago now.
October 7th, pretty significant.
It was really the start of the end of my, at the time,
I thought best friendship.
But certainly as an adult, I would call him my best friend.
And between then and really, I think the last message we exchanged was December 31st that year,
2023, he went from thinking that, you know, like, oh, generally respecting me and thinking
these are things about me to literally calling me a conspiracy theorist on the level of a,
what did he say, like a 911 truth or which is fucking ridiculous, by the way, because I said a couple
of things that were not super flattering about BB.
And time in history has kind of proven them to be true,
namely that among other things, IDF was a IOF, I should say, was standing down on the 7th.
And at the time, we already knew that Egyptian intelligence knew that something was a foot,
like we kind of knew.
And I told my friend this and I still feel this way.
But yeah,
Israeli intelligence, Mossad, is really well known, or I feel like I probably shouldn't even say,
well, I guess it's too late.
But yeah, it's really, really, really well known for being extremely
good and competent.
And the idea that Egypt would have known and they wouldn't have just
fucking preposterous.
And we also, like, if you were paying attention at the time, it was pretty
fucking clear that, you know, Netanyahu and many other people, not just him.
I know a lot of people
kind of like focus on him, just like a lot of people in the US now focus on Trump.
There are a lot of
other people involved.
The whole fucking gunnazot, I say the whole.
There are exceptions.
There are
good people in there, but they are the exception of the exception.
And similarly in the population,
I will say, like, of the people being recalled from the reserves, there is a decent amount
that are not showing up, which is something.
And, you know, it seems like progress.
Although I don't know that it's gotten, I don't think it's been improving that much, but but still,
you know, and the general sentiment is in some ways getting better, but the polling
for the Israeli population is not good.
It's not good.
I always think, like, this is a place
where literally every year to remember the show, the Holocaust, they have this thing
where whatever you're doing, other than, like, if you're in surgery and you're operating on somebody,
but say you're driving on the freeway.
This horn goes off, everyone just stops.
Literally the fucking freeway they stop, they park on the road, they get out of their cars, and then
they will, you know, like, take two minutes just to remember.
And when you're doing that,
and it's like such an integral part of the society, it is beyond fucked to
prosecute a genocide.
It's beyond fucked to be an apartheid state.
And it just, it fucking pisses me off.
It fucking, like, this is a guy who I formerly liked and respected, and this is a country that
I will event like at one point in time, I had pretty good feelings about a lot of my life.
I thought
that thought good things about them.
And, yeah, I will say, like, as a kid, the first time that I
remember a little kind of wink, a little, like, maybe this isn't so great.
I don't know how old I was,
but I was watching something on TBS.
And I remember very distinctly, I'm watching this thing, and I see
this woman crying, crying, and there are subtler's coming, they're taking her house, and they're
bulldozing the neighborhood, and she's crying because she wants to lose her house.
I was a kid, I didn't
know any of the details, I didn't know very much, and at the time I was kind of primed to not be on
the side of the, the Palestinians, and yet, even as a kid, I could fucking tell who was, yeah,
like, it's not that complicated.
And this is one of those things also, like, I heard for so much
of my life, it's complicated, you know, the details, you have to, you have to be like a scholar to
understand, it's not that complicated.
This is one of the most things when you learn about them,
become more nuanced, become more complicated.
This is something like the more that I've learned
about it.
And I'm not saying that it's like completely trivial, I'm not saying that it's like
one side is perfect, and the other side is horrible, or anything like this.
I always do hate also
the way that our culture tends to form these binaries, and they're always adversarial positions
and all those, but never mind all that.
It is something where, you know, the more I've learned
about it, the simpler it gets, the more clear it gets, the more moral clarity I've had on this issue,
and I can, like, I do understand, like, I, I know, like you go to the summer camp, and you're
getting propaganda.
As you go, whatever you're going, you're going to the synagogue you're getting
propaganda.
As you're hearing all this stuff, it's like scary, your whole fucking life.
You go
on birthright, and you go to birthright, and I remember, I remember what I was hearing about this
as a kid, and I was like, well, yeah, as a younger person, I should say, but I was thinking this
was kind of cool, and, you know, it sounds like, oh, this was before I even traveled anywhere.
It sounded like a thing, like you might want to do, and then you learn about what it actually is,
and it's like, oh, you go on essentially like Disney World of propaganda, and you get there,
and you go on this ride, and you see how awesome is really culture is, and then you have the
iOS soldiers there, and they, like, scare you with all kinds of ghost stories, and generally,
like most of the people that I, I know who've done this, they have some kind of like,
I'm putting giant air quotes on this, but simulated threat, because it's like, oh, we're worried
today, we might, like something might happen, something might happen.
And yeah, I, I sat, I believed
in this stuff at one point in time, and I get how people, I get how people are taken in by it,
but it fucking bothers me.
Fucking, like, it is not fucking complicated.
It's not fucking,
and like, you don't, you take the best, most literal interpretation, because I just had somebody
today on Facebook, say, you know, like, oh, well, I don't know what number he gave, but like 1700
people were killed, and women were gang raped, and all this stuff.
The gang raped thing, I'm not denying
that it happened, but it definitely seems unclear, but there is definitely photographic and video
evidence of IDF soldiers, IWF soldiers, raping Palestinians.
So, you know, if you, if you say that rape
is bad, rape is bad, right? It's not, it's not something that anyone should be doing.
I don't think
you could justify it in any way.
Probably no justification for that.
And then you go, step further,
and you're like, well, okay, so it was, I mean, it's like the US with 9-11, you get a little,
a little black eye, you got a little, like, blood on your face.
And I'm had saying again, like 3,000
lives is a lot of people, right? But, you kill a million people, you kill a million civilians.
It's, it's, it's a little disproportionate.
You spend millions of dollars and decades and destroy
the, the remaining shreds of the constitution and lead us to, frankly, where we are now.
A little disproportionate.
That was not, that was not the greatest response.
Similarly,
October 7th, like, if you take the most, like, imagine that it wasn't, you know, it was a genuine
surprise.
BB didn't stand people down.
It wasn't, like, a, a, a thing where we're kind of like,
ah, well, that's something happened and then we'll use that as an excuse.
Just say that it just
happened and they were really good in the got-in.
And still, it doesn't justify mass murder.
Like, the official death counts at this point are, ah, I don't know, 60,000 and the most probable
death counts that I've seen are in the, like, two thirds of a million, like, 600 plus thousand people.
In a, in a population, it was formerly 2.2 million people.
That's, that's a fucking huge number,
by the way.
You know, like, I, for the last couple of years, have been watching regularly,
just some of the worst shit.
Like, you know, you see the, the girl with the napalm girl and the,
the famous photo.
And there are a handful of photos like that.
And, and those were, like, dramatic
and horrible, and people, they, they changed people's minds a lot.
I have on a daily basis,
and I'm laughing about it because it's so fucking horrible.
But on a fucking daily basis, I've seen
the worst shit that I've ever, like, I, and ever even would have imagined it.
And then I've seen, like, after thinking that I couldn't see anything worse, I'd see worse shit,
still.
It was, it fucking ridiculous.
Like, and even by the time that my friend, former friend,
former air quotes friend, and I stopped talking, now, which again, now, it's going to be two years
and December, two years on the first, it'll be two years.
And at the, at the time, I felt really
shitty about it.
And now, I feel like, you know, like, fuck you.
Like, fuck you.
What the fuck
dude? And again, again, like, I do understand the propaganda and all this kind of stuff.
But it was
fucking clear, even then, if you were paying fucking attention, you know, like, this is not proportionate,
this is not justifiable.
And when you start learning more detail about it, it's even less justifiable.
And also, also, you know, and I'm not saying, again, the seventh was good.
But there is a duty to resist,
like, literally an international law, when you're an occupied state, there is a duty to resist.
And as a human being, you have the right to resistance.
And, you know, the idea that somehow
people fighting back a little bit on one day, you know, or fighting, you know, like, launching
little improvised rockets and having, having them blown up by iron dome.
And then doing the
knocks on the roof and the mowing a lawn and all this other shit.
Like, it's just, it's so disproportionate.
It's so, you have, like, the pictures of kids throwing stones at tanks.
And it's like, what we,
you know, they're throwing stones at these tanks.
We got to, we got to just kill them.
We got to,
that there's no other way.
You got to, it's just, you know, like, how are we gonna, fuck you,
fuck you, as what? But, you know, I saw, like, by that time, so many kids just, you know, blown up,
and burned alive, and, like, in pieces of bodies.
And so, like, just that the fucking most
horrific shit, again, like, looking, using Vietnam as a, as a reference standard, like, a million times more
than that.
And I'm not saying that it was a million times worse.
I'm just saying, like, the stuff that I saw,
I'm sure, like, I've read about the atrocities there.
There was some extraordinarily terrible shit,
you know, like, I don't want to in any way, like, compare the two or diminish either one.
Fucking terrible.
But, in terms of what I've seen, like, personally seen with my own eyes,
no comparison.
And, you know, it's just, like, and this was, this was almost two years ago.
This was, like, yeah, you think about, like, the stuff that I've seen since, and I think about,
also, like, you know, a year ago, the Democrat, well, I guess it was a little bit more than a year ago,
but the Democratic National Convention.
And, like, at about the same time, coincidentally,
about the same time, there was this picture of a girl whose body was blown up and just dangling
from a wall, right? Around then also, I'm kind of, like, condensing time, but, you know, like,
roughly the same time.
Of the woman standing outside of the tent, watching her kids just getting
bourbon, I think her three kids burned a life.
She's helpless.
She can't do fucking shit.
She's
wailing and watching this.
And, juxtapose that with, I'm watching these assholes going in,
talking about joy.
Joy, joy.
How much they feel, like, loving it.
And, there's somebody reading
names of kids who are murdered.
And, these fucking assholes, and it's seared into my mind.
I'm never
going to forget this fucking shit.
They're sitting there laughing.
They're closing their ears with
their fingers.
And, like, and just, like, it's a fucking joke.
And they're going in and talking
about joy and talking about, you know, how you have to vote for, like, the other thing,
a lot of shit is seared into my mind about that fucking election.
But, you know, like, under me,
we will have the most, or, I don't remember exactly, which she said it was like, the most lethal fighting
force in the world.
Like, yeah, I don't want the fucking most lethal fighting force in the world.
I'm not a jingoistic person.
Also, incidentally talking about the crisis at the border,
all this other bullshit, which is not a thing.
It's a, it's a fucking made up thing
that their Republicans made up, and then they made, they created the problem, the imaginary
problem, and now they're dealing with it, and an imaginary horrific way.
And part of the reason
they're able to get away with this stuff is because you provide, like, you're using the same
fucking frame that they're using, which is a lie, and sitting there talking about how you're going
to address it.
And I see somebody fucking Democrats talking about this stuff too.
I get, I get texts
from these fucking people saying, like, well, this is how we're going to deal.
We need to do this
at the border.
We need to do this to, and none of them are saying, like, there's no fucking
crisis at the border.
We need to essentially open things up and make it easy for people to
emigrate.
Like, it was when my grandfather came here, and I'm not saying that the things were
perfect then, but, you know, like, when he came, literally just got on a boat, came over,
made his way to Ellis Island, did some paperwork, and he's a citizen.
Like, you know, it was
not a big deal.
And now it's fucking impossible.
Like, I know so many people who got their
pee, it came here, got their PhDs, wanted to stay here and couldn't.
And I think about my friend,
I was in dubious if I should use names or not, but I, I ever friend who was born in, uh,
in her macio.
And she and her brother, and I think they have another sibling, but they were, like,
out of their age range or something.
I don't know.
I think they're going to older sibling.
I don't
know, never met that one.
Or actually, I met them once at their mother's funeral years later,
but, um, I still don't remember.
I think it was a dude.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
But she and her, um, her other brother, uh, came here the same time, and something happened,
and I think she had, like, a younger brother and older brother, and then she's in the middle.
Something happened.
I don't know what happened, but her documents got fucked up, and the other two
siblings, citizens, everything's cool, everything's kosher, and then she was not.
And she's,
like, kind of deal for years with visa, and I think she's since been, uh, I've become a citizen,
but at the deal with all this bullshit, lived your rural fucking life.
I mean, she'd visited
and she spoke Spanish, but it's like, you know, her macio is not where she's from, as far as she's
concerned.
It's like, you spend your whole life in the US speaking English, and, you know, surrounded
by the culture and stuff.
You basically, Eugen, I would say, um, she went to a wedding for cousin
and her macio.
And again, I don't know the details, but something got fucked up with her visa,
and she couldn't get back to the US, and she had to be there for, like, months, months.
And it
legitimately looked like she was just gonna, like, that's it.
She's not coming back.
Like,
that's, that's, that she's just done.
Um, fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it,
um, the, the Senator McCain at the time, but it's a date on this.
Um, somehow someone in her family
or some friend knew him, and he was able to pull some strings and get her visa set up, and she was
able to get back.
But literally, like, three months or so stuck in her macio.
Um, and it just, again,
like, that her place, not, not her place.
And it's, it's just so fucked up.
Like, this is a person who's
lived here her whole life.
And basically, you know, like, you just think about that, this is one of
many, many examples.
And there are so many, and people are just so fucking in or just informed about it.
And again, you don't have people making the case.
And you have this party that completely
fucking abandoned immigrants.
They also incidentally completely abandoned trans people, uh, which,
again, uh, made up problem that their Republicans just completely fabricated out of hold,
hold, hold, hold, hold, hold, hold.
And it shouldn't be something that is uniformly believed
or any of this.
But the Democrats are not providing a counterframe.
They're not answering that.
They're just going like, well, this, yeah, this is a, they're agreeing.
This is a problem.
This is
what we're going to do.
Or, you know, like in, in the case of Holocaust Harris, I'll follow the law
was her quote.
And of course, the law at the, the law that she's talking about, uh, is that in some
states, it's basically like illegal to be trans.
And that's the law that she's going to follow.
And it was getting worse already.
And she's going to follow the fucking law, like a, you fuck her,
fuck her so much.
And fuck the Democratic Party.
And also, I say this, um, and I'm not saying this
hyperbolicly, but for anyone that was like sitting there saying, oh, we have to put on our
oxygen mask first.
And we have to, you know, like genocide is bad, but, you know,
no, genocide is the, it's basically the worst fucking thing.
Right.
I'm not saying it's the worst
thing.
Like there are things that are on a similar level, but it's fucking bad.
You do not vote
for fucking genocide.
And the thing that pisses me off about this is that the reason that she kept going
down that path and didn't change and feel the need to change is because you fucking assholes,
didn't hold her to the fire, you told her that you're going to vote.
And I see people already
doing this now for the next cycle if there's a cycle.
But, you know, like you're just sitting
there saying like, oh, vote for vote blue no matter who.
And have no standards.
And like you
went from in 2020, all these candidates sitting there and everybody, like even the ones that were
the most rightish had some kind of a health care plan.
They had some kind of a plan for the
dreamers.
They had some kind of, you know, like, I'm going to do this for the, and by or about the
environmental catastrophe that's going on and all this kind of shit.
And then 2024, and it's like
she's arguing with fucking Trump over who's the biggest fracker, who's the biggest supporter of
fracking.
As the, the climate catastrophe is just getting worse and worse and things are accelerating
faster than people expected.
And we're already over 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and
all this shit.
And she've been Trump are arguing in a debate over who is more pro-fraking.
Like
I just, and again, I blame her, but I also blame, and of course the party, all the fucking consultants
and all this, but I also blame you.
I fucking blame you if you were a person who told her and told
the party, you told all these people, you will vote for her no matter what.
Because when you declared that,
all you were saying is that they don't have to do anything.
They could be pro-genocide,
they could be pro-fraking, they could be anti-immigrant, they could be anti-trans, they could do whatever
the fuck, they could be anti-homeless, they could be against universal healthcare.
And just sitting
there for, well yeah, you're 401k is amazing, so the economy must be amazing.
A lot of people
fucking working like multiple jobs struggling not able to to make ends meet and not able to pay
the bills, not able to pay rent and all this kind of shit.
And there was a time where you could
imagine a path to you work really hard and then you could eventually get a how this is,
you know, the records of American dream and all this stuff, eventually get a house and you could
have retirement and you know, and now like at this point for a lot of people that that's a ridiculous
idea, a completely laughable idea.
And you're not addressing that, you're not saying anything about it,
you're just blaming people for their fucking avocado toast and that's the reason that they can't
get ahead.
Even though, you know, there was a time when like the boomers were going to college,
where you could have a summer, the first off a lot of like the California schools before Reagan
were free, people forget that, now they're fucking expensive.
The Arizona universities were
damn near free as the Constitution in the States says as nearly free as possible.
Weasel words
that they should not have put in there, but still they were very cheap.
And now it's like 10
grand a year to go plus for ASU.
And it's just it's so fucking disgusting, like properly
fucking disgusting.
So anyway, the thing that I wanted to talk about, this is going to be an
abridged one probably because I met my sister's place, mom and sister were getting their
haircut and I generally speaking, I'm not here by myself, I don't have the opportunity to talk
by myself or record one of these.
So it's a rare kind of nice thing to be able to do.
And as soon as they come back, I'm going to wrap up very quickly.
So getting to the point, getting
to the thing I wanted to talk about is Greta.
Greta to in Berg just came back from her second trip on
the flutilla, a second time being kidnapped by Israeli pirates on the high seas, sounds ridiculous
but true.
And Ben Gavir sitting there like laughing and talking about how he's going to treat
people like terrorists.
And so definitely also like accused terrorists, this is a whole, I need to
make one of these about theory and philosophy of justice and all of this.
But due process, the
presumption of innocence, things like this, kind of matter.
And the US of course, we don't, we
nominally have a presumption of innocence, but as soon as you get arrested, unless you have a lot of
money, you go to jail.
Notice Trump never went to jail.
But a lot of people go to like
rikers, for example, if he was a poor guy, would have gone to rikers and could have rotted there
for years and something that is a fucking hellhole where people die fairly regularly.
He could
it on that.
And again, like if he was not fucking rich and not in the club, probably what would have
happened to him.
And instead, he just got this day at home and you're like just basically fucking
nothing, no consequences.
And everybody also, this is a little bit the last thing I thought about
that for this time.
But the Section 3 of the 14th Amendment is very clear for people who are
insurrectionists and Section 5 tells you how to do this.
A simple majority vote in the House
of the Senate, which the Democrats had, they could have removed the ability for Trump to hold
us.
And that's just Trump.
But the current speaker of the House and all the other insurrectionists,
they could have knocked out a good 30 Republicans.
They could have also expanded like given DC state
hood and done a bunch of other things and reformed the courts.
Although genocide, Joe after, after
Dobbs overturned, Joe after after that said he didn't want to politicize the court.
You know, like
at the end of his term, he kind of nominally, if tried a little bit when he had no, didn't have
Congress and had no ability to do it.
But early on, cut it on it, should have that and didn't do it.
And let Rogo away and let us get to the point where the Supreme Court has basically said that the
president is a fucking God king.
But anyway, I just wanted to talk very briefly about Grotto.
And that too, like, focused too much on her, because it's all about the people in Palestine and
the people in the Gaza and all that.
But I do want to say, just they're her credit.
Like,
you look at this person.
She's 22 and the stuff that she's done in her life.
Now, grant that she's had
privilege and a lot of opportunity and comes from some money and all the stuff.
So she can do stuff
that people can't do.
But even so even so how many people when they were teenagers were that
dedicated to the climate catastrophe, understanding, knowing and doing the right thing.
She had such
like absolute moral clarity on this issue.
And then now, she's just fucking so good.
And she's
extremely clear also that it's like, it's not about me.
It is about these people.
It is about
the shit that's happening to them.
It's about the genocide.
And it is also about our countries
collectively not doing the right thing and not protecting them, not upholding international law
or our own laws.
And, you know, like basically going in and supporting this genocide.
And she's
done so much there.
And I just like, Ben Gavir was talking about this and then apparently,
like, as people, he's not going to do it himself, of course, because he's too far behind it.
But he has people dragging her by the hair and beating her up and infesting her with fucking bedbugs.
It's just disgusting horrible shit.
And again, like she's not the focus too much on race here,
but she's blonde and white and getting a much better deal than the Palestinians.
And you think about, like, how fucked up what they did to her was.
And I just keep thinking, though,
like, they're released here.
She gave her a speech.
And you could just see, like, she was, she was already
dedicated.
She was already, like, on on the right page with this stuff.
But this is not their
fucker thought that he was going to scare her or shut her down or discourage her or something.
Like, which tells you how much these fucking people are out of touch incidentally.
But also, like, he thought that, and it's like, no, dude, you just fucked up.
You fucked up so severely.
Like, you gave her, you gave this person who already had moral clarity, a complete crystal clear
picture of exactly who you are.
Like, if she had any lingering doubts, you eradicated every single
one of them.
You got, like, she, she knows.
She has no fucking doubt anymore.
She has not a, a
reason to think that maybe maybe it's not as bad as I think or maybe you know, maybe I'm getting
a bad, you know, she got to see exactly this.
And not only did she get to see it, the people who were
in that prison because you put them in this, you know, fucking dungeon.
They got to hear
Palestinians screaming and crying and whaling.
They got to, you know, like, they got to experience
that.
They got to see, like, oh, we are getting the privileged sort of like, uh, the bumpers are on
and we got some padding.
This is the fucked up version that we're getting.
What the fuck are you guys
doing to these people? What the fuck are you in addition to, of course, burning kids alive.
You're
like, like, the little things, blowing them up, dropping bombs that are meant for hardened targets.
I'm goddamn, like, like, literally bunker buster bombs dropping them on tents with families in
them that you've displaced and you keep moving around, like the fucking trail of tears over and over
and over again.
And, you know, like, you're, you're starving them to death.
You're starting,
and this is the thing also, like, these are people who literally are, like, citizens of,
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know how many countries going around trying to get fucking
baby formula in to the feed, starving kids.
And this is a huge threat to you.
These are the
airports terrorists to you.
Like, what the fuck? Like, if there was any, if there was any death,
if there was any reason, and I don't know how anyone could get to this point and have any doubts,
but you fucking eliminated them.
And the thing also is, like, you could have, you could have
left it be, like, her claim against yours, and she didn't even talk about it to be, you know,
I was all there people talking about it, because she's, she's just kind of a fucking rockstar.
I can't, like, 22.
I mean, I'm blown away by this person, but, you know, like, she is,
she's sitting there not even talking about it.
Other people are telling us what happened,
but it could have been their word against yours.
And sort of, baby kind of tried,
but then Gavir is like, fucking clear.
Oh, yeah, oh, I did this.
This is what we totally did this.
And, you know, like, if you wanted to, yeah, I mean, I meant trying to pull, like,
imagery from the fucking Holocaust, but, you know, it's like the guy running, uh,
fucking Auschwitz, uh, bragging about it.
Like, in case, in case you were trying to deny it,
there's no fucking denying it now.
There wasn't any denying it before, like, the stuff is
document that is fuck, but still, you know, like, and then you have, like, Larry Ellison in this group,
buying fucking TikTok, and these people are just so, like, the idea that they have of how things work,
the idea that they have that, you know, like, oh, all we have to do is change the programming on TikTok,
and then magically it will change people.
No, people have seen what the fuck people are doing.
Like, you know, I, I, I will never, I will never go back to thinking anything positive about
the domestic rats ever again.
I, I saw these people laughing.
I saw them with their fingers in
their ears, Lala line.
I saw them vote for genocide and tell me that I had to vote for genocide.
Like,
I, I saw that shit.
I saw Harris over and over and over again, uh, declaring her undying,
unconditional, um, unwavering support for the country that was doing this, that was doing, and,
and also, like, even, you go back before October 7th, like, it's easy to focus on the last two years.
But, you know, you see, uh, what they've been doing for the last, like, 75 years,
and this is fucking horrible.
It's fucking horrible.
And again, like, you know, you look at, like,
South Africa, when they were still in a partite state, and you just understand, like, what that is,
and, you know, you understand also, like, I mentioned it before, but like, I'm lowering the lawn.
They're just, like, up there with sniper rifles, just taking people off, just like, yeah,
we're gonna, so people are walking in their little, their open air prison, going about their business,
and for all you know, somebody's got a bead on you, and you're just walking there, existing,
trying to go about your everyday life, and then you get popped, right, or the knocks on the roof,
you know, like, they toss something, and you're sitting in your place in your, uh, upstairs,
and you gotta get the fuck out, because the next one that comes in is gonna blow your shit up.
That was before October 7th, 2023.
That was happening for a long fucking time.
And it was also, again, well documented, like, everybody I know who actually went,
not necessarily to, like, Jerusalem, but they went to, uh, Raza,
at, at pretty fucking good, more, more clarity on this.
They knew what the fuck was going on.
Anyone who's actually dealt with and seen, like, just the, the lines that people have to go
through, and the, the borders, and the walls, and all this kind of shit,
is pretty clear.
It's, it's not, like, there's any room for doubt, and there's less room for doubt now.
There's just, it's, it's so fucking ridiculous.
It's just, like, I can't,
the, the idea that anyone now, two years into this thing, two years, and, you know,
well, almost 80 into this thing.
And when it's even the fucking UN is, is, is being clear.
And I'm not saying the UN wasn't clear already, but UN has completely disintegrated this
fucking Bernie Sanders finally called it.
Although he did, he did, you know, he called it a war,
and then talked about October 7th and a bunch of other bullshit.
But he did, he did at least
call it a genocide.
I guess that's something, way late.
The, the dude is fucking disappointed,
so disappointed.
But you know, like, he's still, he's talking about it.
He's calling it a genocide.
If you're at this stage, and you're not, and you have any room for doubt, that's a U-problem.
It's a total U-problem.
Now, I will say, being here at my mom and sister's place,
they both watch PBS news and the local news and then CNN.
They at least think,
fuck, don't watch MSNBC.
My uncle watches that.
And that stuff is Fox News.
Like, it's legitimately
Fox News.
Like, the fucking thing is, the people watching this shit, they know how bad Fox news is,
right? They understand that.
Somehow they don't know how bad MSNBC is.
Like, and I will say, like,
I remember, like, a decade and a half ago, I went to the gym and they'd have Fox News on,
and it was just like, physically painful.
Like, I had to get the fuck out of there.
I couldn't,
I could not be in the presence of those things.
Or I'd go to the airport and it was on or something.
And it would just, like, I need to get the fuck out.
I need to escape, fight or flight.
And now, I had, I've been at my uncles and MSNBC is on, which is funny also, because they got
that Scarborough guy who is one of the contract on America, people, like the, the people.
Like,
it's kind of a tell, like the, the people that you're listening to are the right wingers.
They're
not, yeah.
But MSNBC is the fucking same shit.
It's totally the same shit.
And if you don't see it,
you might have been brainwashed a little bit.
It's, it's, like, both of these calls,
they're red in the blue mega.
They have no fucking clue about themselves being in a cult,
but they know, uh, quite clearly that the other people are, although they have pretty twisted ideas
of, you know, like, what the other people are doing.
It's, it's very fucked up.
But they can't see it for
themselves.
They can't see, you know, they can't take a step back and go like, oh, oh,
fucking pro wrestling, you know.
It's, it's the same, like, it's literally the same programming,
but swapping out names.
Like, on one hand, and I'm not saying, like, Trump is legitimately
fucking horrible.
I don't want to in any way sound like I'm saying anything positive about them.
But, you know, the Democrats going, like, oh, it's the most, you know, the most important election
of your lifetime, and you have to vote for Holocaust Harris for genocide against Trump.
And at the
same time, at the same time, uh, Republicans are sitting there going, like, oh, whoa, you know,
she's, she's a, she's a comedy.
I fucking wish.
I fucking wish.
Like, if I fucking, when you know
about like her dad and all this kind of shit, it's just so disappointing, it's actually like what
the fuck, what the fuck? But, you know, like that, the way the Republicans talk about these people,
the way that, and actually also, she was calling Trump like a communist dictator, like,
again, I fucking wish.
Come on, beat fucking serious.
And she knows, like, she has zero
plausible than I ability there.
But, um, yeah, you like it, all these people, they see the other
people in a cult, and they don't step back and realize they're also in a cult.
They don't realize
that this fucking shit is pro wrestling.
It's completely, and I will say, like, in their defense,
it took me a long time to get it.
It took me, you know, a lot of steps to get to where I am.
It wasn't like an overnight thing.
It wasn't like I just woke up one day and I was like, oh shit.
Yeah, it took a lot to get me there.
So I understand it takes time and all of this.
I do wish
people get their fucking faster though.
Although I will say at least, at least, I think I see some
people kind of waking up.
I wish it was faster.
I wish that, and even though they're waking
up, they're still kind of like in the same sort of thing.
But they're getting a little bit
closer, maybe.
I hope.
I hope.
Again, like, the whole point of project 2025, and I see this a
lot too, also people talking about, like, oh, what the Republicans are doing, and we have to
all these same people that were using project 2025 to try to beat me over the head and try to
explain why I had to vote for Holocaust terrorists, why I had to vote for genocide.
I am familiar with
the fucking thing.
And what it was was not like the democratic version that they're trying to pass off
for the next cycle, which is just like some bullet points in no plan.
It was an extensive plan
half a century plus in the making, and it basically had strategy and tactics to not only completely
reform the, you know, all of our sort of bureaucratic processes, and essentially the regulatory
state and everything in government.
But basically, like, got everything, and then gain permanent power
independent of future elections.
There's literally like an explicitly stated objective in there.
And people who were telling me about this stuff, they're like, oh, you know, you got it.
You fuckers didn't read this shit.
They're surprised by what's going on.
It's like, it's literally
like, right, fucking there.
I wish, I don't know, I wish people fucking read shit or
understand shit or, and you may say, like, well, Scott, why did, if you knew this stuff, why didn't you,
there's some good fucking reasons for that, which is like, there's a slow train, and there's the fast
train.
Harris was the slower train, but still going to the same destination.
The plan that you're never
going to let any Republican ever win was ridiculous, it's fucking ridiculous.
And again, like,
I'm not going to vote for fucking genocide.
I'm not, I understand how bad things are, but I also
understand the history of this country.
This is a country built on top of the graves of a genocide
on a scale that would make Hitler blush, you know, and then slavery on top of that.
And, you know,
like, you just go through, and it literally, like, with Jim Crow and all this stuff, inspired Hitler,
you know, it was not like a, it was not like this place was a great place to begin with.
And you have all this stuff, and, you know, it's just, but I don't even want to get into it,
but it's just fucking horrible.
And, you know, I remember again, my friend, former friend,
saying, you're like, oh, do you really want to give up this right-shining star, this, you know,
that this is the second Republican in this country.
France is at what the fifth Republican.
I don't even, I've lost track.
Yeah, they're at the fifth Republican.
And their first
Republican was not as old as ours.
And their granddad was close, but, yeah, the first Republican
was 1792.
Yeah, so they're pretty close to ours, but now they're to five.
Like, we're at two,
we're past two, we're past two.
And Trump, in the first term, already showed us, like, how many
problems there are and how much our system is completely, just fundamentally, deeply broken,
not just because of all of the legacy of racism and, you know, white nationalism and all of
this other shit, but it's just deeply fundamentally broken, like the only system for preventing
abusive presidential power for the longest time, and until recently, when it was just, it finally
broke down, was basically just, like, decorum and, like, people are going to do the right thing
and not, you know, just do whatever the fuck they want.
And it turns out there were no real
enforcement there.
Similarly, the Supreme Court, which, again, like, dirt, um,
judicial review, not actually a thing in the Constitution.
It was just a power that they sort of
grabbed for themselves and asserted, but, you know, that the Supreme Court itself, the robe,
the priests, who get to decide if something is constitutional or not, they also, yeah, turns out,
they can just make up the fucking rules, they have no ethical standards, they have no independent
enforcement.
And, you know, like, technically, nominally, I guess you can impeach a Supreme Court
justice.
You know how many times that's happened and the course of the United States?
I give you a clue.
It's not, it's not, uh, it's not a number that needs more than one finger,
I think there was one that resigned under threat of impeachment and one was actually impeached.
I don't even remember the details, but it was basically, like, essentially, essentially,
not a thing that happens, um, and then you think about also, like, President's getting impeached.
Even if fucking Nixon wasn't impeached, he resigned.
You, you probably would have been impeached,
and he should have been impeached.
But, you know, like, the standards are basically not there.
And that was at a time where people at least pretended that, you know, like, something mattered
more than just partisanship and what team you're on.
And now, you know, you think about it,
like, how, I see people like sitting there talking about, like, how Trump needs to be impeached.
And first of all, like, look at the fucking order of succession.
Like, getting rid of him is not
going to magically fix things.
Yeah, it's not, it's just not.
And you could say, like, oh, well,
he's a demagogue and, um, you know, he's, he's a charismatic, but it doesn't fucking matter.
Because they're already in power.
They're, like, it doesn't matter what is approval rating is.
It also incidentally, like, people talk about how shitty is from, here's approval rating is,
well, his approval rating isn't that different than his first term.
And also, it's not that different
from Biden, uh, that roughly the same time or a little bit later.
So, it's not exactly, like,
and also, also, the approval rating doesn't, again, does not fucking matter.
It doesn't matter.
There's not, like, a thing where it's like, oh, well, the president doesn't have high enough
approval.
So now they're stripped of their powers.
They're, it's like a vote of no confidence.
They're like, we don't have that.
There's no, there's no no confidence.
There's no, there's essentially
no way to remove these people.
And there's also no independent enforcement.
There's no ethical standards.
You do kind of have, um, you know, some sort of standards for, like, uh, the parliamentarian
is going to enforce that people are following the rules and in, in Congress, but at the same time,
they can just make up the fucking rules, like it's not.
It's not like, uh, there's some magic.
They, people, a lot of people are surprised and are just slowly waking up to the fact that it's not,
again, like, laws are not magical in kind Asians, where people just have to follow the rules.
People can do whatever they want.
And if there's no enforcement, if there's nothing stopping them
from doing something bad, they can just do something bad.
It turns out.
It's actually,
it should be fucking scary to you, especially considering the number of nuclear weapons
on fucking ICBMs that this country has, should still just fuck out of you.
The fact that we
can, if we want to, just blow up ships in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, uh, we could, we could,
we could do that.
We could just, or, or anywhere in the world, we could just send a drone.
And somebody could be in their apartment on the other side of the world.
And somebody can send
one of these mixed master drones and just dice them and slice them.
They could be at a cafe or
something and just assassinate somebody.
And, and you could just do that.
With no, no trial, no conviction,
nothing other than you just decide that you're going to do it.
You could do it.
And that's, that's,
like, it, it's so fucked up when you think about it.
Like, that just how easy it is to do so much harm.
And how few rules there are.
Anyway, I, I, I think I'm actually going to wrap this up,
because I feel like I'm getting close to the time when, uh, I'm going to have no choice.
And I want to, I want to have, I want to end it on a, um, sort of my own terms instead of like,
oh, should I need to, I need to rush now.
Uh, so what, what I do want to say at this point is,
I opened up, um, I mean, I've been trying to figure out what to do, uh, for money for a long time.
I still have no fucking clue.
I do know, like, after my last job, uh, a nine to five kind of thing
where I go into a physical office.
I said there, um, I, I can't do it.
I physically cannot do it.
Uh, it was excruciating.
And, you know, the, the commute also, like, particularly, but the whole thing sucked.
Um, and, and again, like, I understand that job was actually much better than the jobs that a lot of people have.
Um, but still sucked.
So, I've been thinking about this a lot, and, you know, I've been trying to get, like,
contract work and some other stuff, not really having much success there either.
And I, I don't know that this is going to be a path forward, but I, I opened up a Patreon, um,
it's patreon.com slash, uh, S Minor.
So, uh, Sierra Mark Echo November Echo, I, I don't even know how
to spell my own name.
Oh my god.
Sierra Mark Echo, Romeo Oscar November S Minor.
So, if you are listening to this, um, you know, give me a review, give me a review, show me with your friends,
get people to the sign up for that or sign up for it.
If you're in a position to do it, if you're not,
you know, like, obviously, like, there are a lot of people that are in much worse places than I am.
But I am really hoping that that becomes a path forward.
No, because I, I just, I, I, I keep
thinking about, like, I for so long have been trying so hard to, like, either raise money and work
on my own stuff, which is what I kind of really want to do.
Um, but, you know, like, it's so
big excruciating, like, I know I'm very confident if I would have been, uh, a fucking liar and, like,
a scam artist and a magician and just showed people like, oh, look at this magic.
I could probably
have gotten a lot of money a long time ago from VCs and just, like, bullshited people and been
on ethical or or or if I wanted to build weapons, I could probably get money for that or I could work
for, you know, the only jobs I've not applied for that I see come across are for, like,
Raytheon and Northward Grumman and all this kind of stuff.
I, I, I, I, I'm not going to do that.
Uh, but it, those are the ones that seem to be, you know, in abundance, it's fucking annoying.
Uh, but I, I really would like to find a way something sustainable that, let's me work on my own
stuff, let's me make these, let's me have, you know, like, some freedom.
I don't, I don't, like,
I don't, like, I don't really want to be, like, rich.
I just want to be comfortable.
I want to be
able to have my own space.
I want to have autonomy is a very big thing for me and I want to be
able to work on my own shit and I'm really hoping that that helps.
So, um, if you're listening,
if you made it this far in this, um, Patreon.com slash Sierra Mark Echo, um, Oscar November,
Esmanor.
And, you know, give what you can.
Sign up for a subscription that would be extraordinarily
awesome.
Uh, also also, I guess I should say, if you are doing that, uh, and you're in the position
to do that, go to fairshare.help, um, F-A-I-R-S-H-A-R-E.help, and give somebody to one of the mutual aid
things there, either for someone in Palestine, somebody's family.
There are a lot of them there.
There are, like, a few hundred, uh, but there are also other ones for other people.
And, if you go
there, it will give you a random list and the one on top, just give somebody to that one, whoever it is,
um, it'll be randomly selected for you and every time you refresh, it'll come up with a new one.
Give them some money and kind of give me some money.
I would, I would appreciate it.
Not that I feel like we're asking for it, but, um, I don't want to be, I don't want to be in the
situation.
I really don't want to be in the situation where I just completely run out of money.
Now, which I'm very close to.
So with that, uh, thank you very much for listening and I greatly
appreciate it as always.
And, uh, thank you Greta.
Um, like, I am truly moved, not only by you,
but by the almost 500 other people on that flotilla and the other flotillas that have come before
and the ones that are coming, the thing that's wild also was like, uh, this last one I understand
because of the, the weather is about the last one that they could do in the year, uh, because it's just
not navigable.
And I still see people going out doing new ones, um, smaller groups, but still
people are doing it.
And unfortunately, I'm sure this is going to go on for a while and it would be
nice if, you know, like, call your fucking Congress people wherever you are, call your representatives,
call your, uh, your leadership and get them to do something.
It would be fucking nice.
It would be,
like, kind of a good thing to stop a fucking genocide, you know, beyond the right side of that,
that would be cool.
Um, and then also also, um, this from, um, I think, I actually do have to wrap up.
So, um, I was going to talk about Japan and, uh, the probable fascist Prime Minister coming up
at, uh, that's, that's a, and they're horrible story for another time.
Anyway, thanks as ever,
and, uh, thank you Greta, thanks everybody on the flotilla and, uh, yeah, as ever,
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Hey there I'm Scott and this is Tangents.
Well it is Tuesday, October 7th, 2025.
You might know that date because two years ago, two years is a long fucking time and it's yet a blink.
And obviously October 7th, it started in 1948 almost, well almost 80 years ago now.
October 7th, pretty significant.
It was really the start of the end of my, at the time,
I thought best friendship.
But certainly as an adult, I would call him my best friend.
And between then and really, I think the last message we exchanged was December 31st that year,
2023, he went from thinking that, you know, like, oh, generally respecting me and thinking
these are things about me to literally calling me a conspiracy theorist on the level of a,
what did he say, like a 911 truth or which is fucking ridiculous, by the way, because I said a couple
of things that were not super flattering about BB.
And time in history has kind of proven them to be true,
namely that among other things, IDF was a IOF, I should say, was standing down on the 7th.
And at the time, we already knew that Egyptian intelligence knew that something was a foot,
like we kind of knew.
And I told my friend this and I still feel this way.
But yeah,
Israeli intelligence, Mossad, is really well known, or I feel like I probably shouldn't even say,
well, I guess it's too late.
But yeah, it's really, really, really well known for being extremely
good and competent.
And the idea that Egypt would have known and they wouldn't have just
fucking preposterous.
And we also, like, if you were paying attention at the time, it was pretty
fucking clear that, you know, Netanyahu and many other people, not just him.
I know a lot of people
kind of like focus on him, just like a lot of people in the US now focus on Trump.
There are a lot of
other people involved.
The whole fucking gunnazot, I say the whole.
There are exceptions.
There are
good people in there, but they are the exception of the exception.
And similarly in the population,
I will say, like, of the people being recalled from the reserves, there is a decent amount
that are not showing up, which is something.
And, you know, it seems like progress.
Although I don't know that it's gotten, I don't think it's been improving that much, but but still,
you know, and the general sentiment is in some ways getting better, but the polling
for the Israeli population is not good.
It's not good.
I always think, like, this is a place
where literally every year to remember the show, the Holocaust, they have this thing
where whatever you're doing, other than, like, if you're in surgery and you're operating on somebody,
but say you're driving on the freeway.
This horn goes off, everyone just stops.
Literally the fucking freeway they stop, they park on the road, they get out of their cars, and then
they will, you know, like, take two minutes just to remember.
And when you're doing that,
and it's like such an integral part of the society, it is beyond fucked to
prosecute a genocide.
It's beyond fucked to be an apartheid state.
And it just, it fucking pisses me off.
It fucking, like, this is a guy who I formerly liked and respected, and this is a country that
I will event like at one point in time, I had pretty good feelings about a lot of my life.
I thought
that thought good things about them.
And, yeah, I will say, like, as a kid, the first time that I
remember a little kind of wink, a little, like, maybe this isn't so great.
I don't know how old I was,
but I was watching something on TBS.
And I remember very distinctly, I'm watching this thing, and I see
this woman crying, crying, and there are subtler's coming, they're taking her house, and they're
bulldozing the neighborhood, and she's crying because she wants to lose her house.
I was a kid, I didn't
know any of the details, I didn't know very much, and at the time I was kind of primed to not be on
the side of the, the Palestinians, and yet, even as a kid, I could fucking tell who was, yeah,
like, it's not that complicated.
And this is one of those things also, like, I heard for so much
of my life, it's complicated, you know, the details, you have to, you have to be like a scholar to
understand, it's not that complicated.
This is one of the most things when you learn about them,
become more nuanced, become more complicated.
This is something like the more that I've learned
about it.
And I'm not saying that it's like completely trivial, I'm not saying that it's like
one side is perfect, and the other side is horrible, or anything like this.
I always do hate also
the way that our culture tends to form these binaries, and they're always adversarial positions
and all those, but never mind all that.
It is something where, you know, the more I've learned
about it, the simpler it gets, the more clear it gets, the more moral clarity I've had on this issue,
and I can, like, I do understand, like, I, I know, like you go to the summer camp, and you're
getting propaganda.
As you go, whatever you're going, you're going to the synagogue you're getting
propaganda.
As you're hearing all this stuff, it's like scary, your whole fucking life.
You go
on birthright, and you go to birthright, and I remember, I remember what I was hearing about this
as a kid, and I was like, well, yeah, as a younger person, I should say, but I was thinking this
was kind of cool, and, you know, it sounds like, oh, this was before I even traveled anywhere.
It sounded like a thing, like you might want to do, and then you learn about what it actually is,
and it's like, oh, you go on essentially like Disney World of propaganda, and you get there,
and you go on this ride, and you see how awesome is really culture is, and then you have the
iOS soldiers there, and they, like, scare you with all kinds of ghost stories, and generally,
like most of the people that I, I know who've done this, they have some kind of like,
I'm putting giant air quotes on this, but simulated threat, because it's like, oh, we're worried
today, we might, like something might happen, something might happen.
And yeah, I, I sat, I believed
in this stuff at one point in time, and I get how people, I get how people are taken in by it,
but it fucking bothers me.
Fucking, like, it is not fucking complicated.
It's not fucking,
and like, you don't, you take the best, most literal interpretation, because I just had somebody
today on Facebook, say, you know, like, oh, well, I don't know what number he gave, but like 1700
people were killed, and women were gang raped, and all this stuff.
The gang raped thing, I'm not denying
that it happened, but it definitely seems unclear, but there is definitely photographic and video
evidence of IDF soldiers, IWF soldiers, raping Palestinians.
So, you know, if you, if you say that rape
is bad, rape is bad, right? It's not, it's not something that anyone should be doing.
I don't think
you could justify it in any way.
Probably no justification for that.
And then you go, step further,
and you're like, well, okay, so it was, I mean, it's like the US with 9-11, you get a little,
a little black eye, you got a little, like, blood on your face.
And I'm had saying again, like 3,000
lives is a lot of people, right? But, you kill a million people, you kill a million civilians.
It's, it's, it's a little disproportionate.
You spend millions of dollars and decades and destroy
the, the remaining shreds of the constitution and lead us to, frankly, where we are now.
A little disproportionate.
That was not, that was not the greatest response.
Similarly,
October 7th, like, if you take the most, like, imagine that it wasn't, you know, it was a genuine
surprise.
BB didn't stand people down.
It wasn't, like, a, a, a thing where we're kind of like,
ah, well, that's something happened and then we'll use that as an excuse.
Just say that it just
happened and they were really good in the got-in.
And still, it doesn't justify mass murder.
Like, the official death counts at this point are, ah, I don't know, 60,000 and the most probable
death counts that I've seen are in the, like, two thirds of a million, like, 600 plus thousand people.
In a, in a population, it was formerly 2.2 million people.
That's, that's a fucking huge number,
by the way.
You know, like, I, for the last couple of years, have been watching regularly,
just some of the worst shit.
Like, you know, you see the, the girl with the napalm girl and the,
the famous photo.
And there are a handful of photos like that.
And, and those were, like, dramatic
and horrible, and people, they, they changed people's minds a lot.
I have on a daily basis,
and I'm laughing about it because it's so fucking horrible.
But on a fucking daily basis, I've seen
the worst shit that I've ever, like, I, and ever even would have imagined it.
And then I've seen, like, after thinking that I couldn't see anything worse, I'd see worse shit,
still.
It was, it fucking ridiculous.
Like, and even by the time that my friend, former friend,
former air quotes friend, and I stopped talking, now, which again, now, it's going to be two years
and December, two years on the first, it'll be two years.
And at the, at the time, I felt really
shitty about it.
And now, I feel like, you know, like, fuck you.
Like, fuck you.
What the fuck
dude? And again, again, like, I do understand the propaganda and all this kind of stuff.
But it was
fucking clear, even then, if you were paying fucking attention, you know, like, this is not proportionate,
this is not justifiable.
And when you start learning more detail about it, it's even less justifiable.
And also, also, you know, and I'm not saying, again, the seventh was good.
But there is a duty to resist,
like, literally an international law, when you're an occupied state, there is a duty to resist.
And as a human being, you have the right to resistance.
And, you know, the idea that somehow
people fighting back a little bit on one day, you know, or fighting, you know, like, launching
little improvised rockets and having, having them blown up by iron dome.
And then doing the
knocks on the roof and the mowing a lawn and all this other shit.
Like, it's just, it's so disproportionate.
It's so, you have, like, the pictures of kids throwing stones at tanks.
And it's like, what we,
you know, they're throwing stones at these tanks.
We got to, we got to just kill them.
We got to,
that there's no other way.
You got to, it's just, you know, like, how are we gonna, fuck you,
fuck you, as what? But, you know, I saw, like, by that time, so many kids just, you know, blown up,
and burned alive, and, like, in pieces of bodies.
And so, like, just that the fucking most
horrific shit, again, like, looking, using Vietnam as a, as a reference standard, like, a million times more
than that.
And I'm not saying that it was a million times worse.
I'm just saying, like, the stuff that I saw,
I'm sure, like, I've read about the atrocities there.
There was some extraordinarily terrible shit,
you know, like, I don't want to in any way, like, compare the two or diminish either one.
Fucking terrible.
But, in terms of what I've seen, like, personally seen with my own eyes,
no comparison.
And, you know, it's just, like, and this was, this was almost two years ago.
This was, like, yeah, you think about, like, the stuff that I've seen since, and I think about,
also, like, you know, a year ago, the Democrat, well, I guess it was a little bit more than a year ago,
but the Democratic National Convention.
And, like, at about the same time, coincidentally,
about the same time, there was this picture of a girl whose body was blown up and just dangling
from a wall, right? Around then also, I'm kind of, like, condensing time, but, you know, like,
roughly the same time.
Of the woman standing outside of the tent, watching her kids just getting
bourbon, I think her three kids burned a life.
She's helpless.
She can't do fucking shit.
She's
wailing and watching this.
And, juxtapose that with, I'm watching these assholes going in,
talking about joy.
Joy, joy.
How much they feel, like, loving it.
And, there's somebody reading
names of kids who are murdered.
And, these fucking assholes, and it's seared into my mind.
I'm never
going to forget this fucking shit.
They're sitting there laughing.
They're closing their ears with
their fingers.
And, like, and just, like, it's a fucking joke.
And they're going in and talking
about joy and talking about, you know, how you have to vote for, like, the other thing,
a lot of shit is seared into my mind about that fucking election.
But, you know, like, under me,
we will have the most, or, I don't remember exactly, which she said it was like, the most lethal fighting
force in the world.
Like, yeah, I don't want the fucking most lethal fighting force in the world.
I'm not a jingoistic person.
Also, incidentally talking about the crisis at the border,
all this other bullshit, which is not a thing.
It's a, it's a fucking made up thing
that their Republicans made up, and then they made, they created the problem, the imaginary
problem, and now they're dealing with it, and an imaginary horrific way.
And part of the reason
they're able to get away with this stuff is because you provide, like, you're using the same
fucking frame that they're using, which is a lie, and sitting there talking about how you're going
to address it.
And I see somebody fucking Democrats talking about this stuff too.
I get, I get texts
from these fucking people saying, like, well, this is how we're going to deal.
We need to do this
at the border.
We need to do this to, and none of them are saying, like, there's no fucking
crisis at the border.
We need to essentially open things up and make it easy for people to
emigrate.
Like, it was when my grandfather came here, and I'm not saying that the things were
perfect then, but, you know, like, when he came, literally just got on a boat, came over,
made his way to Ellis Island, did some paperwork, and he's a citizen.
Like, you know, it was
not a big deal.
And now it's fucking impossible.
Like, I know so many people who got their
pee, it came here, got their PhDs, wanted to stay here and couldn't.
And I think about my friend,
I was in dubious if I should use names or not, but I, I ever friend who was born in, uh,
in her macio.
And she and her brother, and I think they have another sibling, but they were, like,
out of their age range or something.
I don't know.
I think they're going to older sibling.
I don't
know, never met that one.
Or actually, I met them once at their mother's funeral years later,
but, um, I still don't remember.
I think it was a dude.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
But she and her, um, her other brother, uh, came here the same time, and something happened,
and I think she had, like, a younger brother and older brother, and then she's in the middle.
Something happened.
I don't know what happened, but her documents got fucked up, and the other two
siblings, citizens, everything's cool, everything's kosher, and then she was not.
And she's,
like, kind of deal for years with visa, and I think she's since been, uh, I've become a citizen,
but at the deal with all this bullshit, lived your rural fucking life.
I mean, she'd visited
and she spoke Spanish, but it's like, you know, her macio is not where she's from, as far as she's
concerned.
It's like, you spend your whole life in the US speaking English, and, you know, surrounded
by the culture and stuff.
You basically, Eugen, I would say, um, she went to a wedding for cousin
and her macio.
And again, I don't know the details, but something got fucked up with her visa,
and she couldn't get back to the US, and she had to be there for, like, months, months.
And it
legitimately looked like she was just gonna, like, that's it.
She's not coming back.
Like,
that's, that's, that she's just done.
Um, fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it,
um, the, the Senator McCain at the time, but it's a date on this.
Um, somehow someone in her family
or some friend knew him, and he was able to pull some strings and get her visa set up, and she was
able to get back.
But literally, like, three months or so stuck in her macio.
Um, and it just, again,
like, that her place, not, not her place.
And it's, it's just so fucked up.
Like, this is a person who's
lived here her whole life.
And basically, you know, like, you just think about that, this is one of
many, many examples.
And there are so many, and people are just so fucking in or just informed about it.
And again, you don't have people making the case.
And you have this party that completely
fucking abandoned immigrants.
They also incidentally completely abandoned trans people, uh, which,
again, uh, made up problem that their Republicans just completely fabricated out of hold,
hold, hold, hold, hold, hold, hold.
And it shouldn't be something that is uniformly believed
or any of this.
But the Democrats are not providing a counterframe.
They're not answering that.
They're just going like, well, this, yeah, this is a, they're agreeing.
This is a problem.
This is
what we're going to do.
Or, you know, like in, in the case of Holocaust Harris, I'll follow the law
was her quote.
And of course, the law at the, the law that she's talking about, uh, is that in some
states, it's basically like illegal to be trans.
And that's the law that she's going to follow.
And it was getting worse already.
And she's going to follow the fucking law, like a, you fuck her,
fuck her so much.
And fuck the Democratic Party.
And also, I say this, um, and I'm not saying this
hyperbolicly, but for anyone that was like sitting there saying, oh, we have to put on our
oxygen mask first.
And we have to, you know, like genocide is bad, but, you know,
no, genocide is the, it's basically the worst fucking thing.
Right.
I'm not saying it's the worst
thing.
Like there are things that are on a similar level, but it's fucking bad.
You do not vote
for fucking genocide.
And the thing that pisses me off about this is that the reason that she kept going
down that path and didn't change and feel the need to change is because you fucking assholes,
didn't hold her to the fire, you told her that you're going to vote.
And I see people already
doing this now for the next cycle if there's a cycle.
But, you know, like you're just sitting
there saying like, oh, vote for vote blue no matter who.
And have no standards.
And like you
went from in 2020, all these candidates sitting there and everybody, like even the ones that were
the most rightish had some kind of a health care plan.
They had some kind of a plan for the
dreamers.
They had some kind of, you know, like, I'm going to do this for the, and by or about the
environmental catastrophe that's going on and all this kind of shit.
And then 2024, and it's like
she's arguing with fucking Trump over who's the biggest fracker, who's the biggest supporter of
fracking.
As the, the climate catastrophe is just getting worse and worse and things are accelerating
faster than people expected.
And we're already over 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and
all this shit.
And she've been Trump are arguing in a debate over who is more pro-fraking.
Like
I just, and again, I blame her, but I also blame, and of course the party, all the fucking consultants
and all this, but I also blame you.
I fucking blame you if you were a person who told her and told
the party, you told all these people, you will vote for her no matter what.
Because when you declared that,
all you were saying is that they don't have to do anything.
They could be pro-genocide,
they could be pro-fraking, they could be anti-immigrant, they could be anti-trans, they could do whatever
the fuck, they could be anti-homeless, they could be against universal healthcare.
And just sitting
there for, well yeah, you're 401k is amazing, so the economy must be amazing.
A lot of people
fucking working like multiple jobs struggling not able to to make ends meet and not able to pay
the bills, not able to pay rent and all this kind of shit.
And there was a time where you could
imagine a path to you work really hard and then you could eventually get a how this is,
you know, the records of American dream and all this stuff, eventually get a house and you could
have retirement and you know, and now like at this point for a lot of people that that's a ridiculous
idea, a completely laughable idea.
And you're not addressing that, you're not saying anything about it,
you're just blaming people for their fucking avocado toast and that's the reason that they can't
get ahead.
Even though, you know, there was a time when like the boomers were going to college,
where you could have a summer, the first off a lot of like the California schools before Reagan
were free, people forget that, now they're fucking expensive.
The Arizona universities were
damn near free as the Constitution in the States says as nearly free as possible.
Weasel words
that they should not have put in there, but still they were very cheap.
And now it's like 10
grand a year to go plus for ASU.
And it's just it's so fucking disgusting, like properly
fucking disgusting.
So anyway, the thing that I wanted to talk about, this is going to be an
abridged one probably because I met my sister's place, mom and sister were getting their
haircut and I generally speaking, I'm not here by myself, I don't have the opportunity to talk
by myself or record one of these.
So it's a rare kind of nice thing to be able to do.
And as soon as they come back, I'm going to wrap up very quickly.
So getting to the point, getting
to the thing I wanted to talk about is Greta.
Greta to in Berg just came back from her second trip on
the flutilla, a second time being kidnapped by Israeli pirates on the high seas, sounds ridiculous
but true.
And Ben Gavir sitting there like laughing and talking about how he's going to treat
people like terrorists.
And so definitely also like accused terrorists, this is a whole, I need to
make one of these about theory and philosophy of justice and all of this.
But due process, the
presumption of innocence, things like this, kind of matter.
And the US of course, we don't, we
nominally have a presumption of innocence, but as soon as you get arrested, unless you have a lot of
money, you go to jail.
Notice Trump never went to jail.
But a lot of people go to like
rikers, for example, if he was a poor guy, would have gone to rikers and could have rotted there
for years and something that is a fucking hellhole where people die fairly regularly.
He could
it on that.
And again, like if he was not fucking rich and not in the club, probably what would have
happened to him.
And instead, he just got this day at home and you're like just basically fucking
nothing, no consequences.
And everybody also, this is a little bit the last thing I thought about
that for this time.
But the Section 3 of the 14th Amendment is very clear for people who are
insurrectionists and Section 5 tells you how to do this.
A simple majority vote in the House
of the Senate, which the Democrats had, they could have removed the ability for Trump to hold
us.
And that's just Trump.
But the current speaker of the House and all the other insurrectionists,
they could have knocked out a good 30 Republicans.
They could have also expanded like given DC state
hood and done a bunch of other things and reformed the courts.
Although genocide, Joe after, after
Dobbs overturned, Joe after after that said he didn't want to politicize the court.
You know, like
at the end of his term, he kind of nominally, if tried a little bit when he had no, didn't have
Congress and had no ability to do it.
But early on, cut it on it, should have that and didn't do it.
And let Rogo away and let us get to the point where the Supreme Court has basically said that the
president is a fucking God king.
But anyway, I just wanted to talk very briefly about Grotto.
And that too, like, focused too much on her, because it's all about the people in Palestine and
the people in the Gaza and all that.
But I do want to say, just they're her credit.
Like,
you look at this person.
She's 22 and the stuff that she's done in her life.
Now, grant that she's had
privilege and a lot of opportunity and comes from some money and all the stuff.
So she can do stuff
that people can't do.
But even so even so how many people when they were teenagers were that
dedicated to the climate catastrophe, understanding, knowing and doing the right thing.
She had such
like absolute moral clarity on this issue.
And then now, she's just fucking so good.
And she's
extremely clear also that it's like, it's not about me.
It is about these people.
It is about
the shit that's happening to them.
It's about the genocide.
And it is also about our countries
collectively not doing the right thing and not protecting them, not upholding international law
or our own laws.
And, you know, like basically going in and supporting this genocide.
And she's
done so much there.
And I just like, Ben Gavir was talking about this and then apparently,
like, as people, he's not going to do it himself, of course, because he's too far behind it.
But he has people dragging her by the hair and beating her up and infesting her with fucking bedbugs.
It's just disgusting horrible shit.
And again, like she's not the focus too much on race here,
but she's blonde and white and getting a much better deal than the Palestinians.
And you think about, like, how fucked up what they did to her was.
And I just keep thinking, though,
like, they're released here.
She gave her a speech.
And you could just see, like, she was, she was already
dedicated.
She was already, like, on on the right page with this stuff.
But this is not their
fucker thought that he was going to scare her or shut her down or discourage her or something.
Like, which tells you how much these fucking people are out of touch incidentally.
But also, like, he thought that, and it's like, no, dude, you just fucked up.
You fucked up so severely.
Like, you gave her, you gave this person who already had moral clarity, a complete crystal clear
picture of exactly who you are.
Like, if she had any lingering doubts, you eradicated every single
one of them.
You got, like, she, she knows.
She has no fucking doubt anymore.
She has not a, a
reason to think that maybe maybe it's not as bad as I think or maybe you know, maybe I'm getting
a bad, you know, she got to see exactly this.
And not only did she get to see it, the people who were
in that prison because you put them in this, you know, fucking dungeon.
They got to hear
Palestinians screaming and crying and whaling.
They got to, you know, like, they got to experience
that.
They got to see, like, oh, we are getting the privileged sort of like, uh, the bumpers are on
and we got some padding.
This is the fucked up version that we're getting.
What the fuck are you guys
doing to these people? What the fuck are you in addition to, of course, burning kids alive.
You're
like, like, the little things, blowing them up, dropping bombs that are meant for hardened targets.
I'm goddamn, like, like, literally bunker buster bombs dropping them on tents with families in
them that you've displaced and you keep moving around, like the fucking trail of tears over and over
and over again.
And, you know, like, you're, you're starving them to death.
You're starting,
and this is the thing also, like, these are people who literally are, like, citizens of,
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know how many countries going around trying to get fucking
baby formula in to the feed, starving kids.
And this is a huge threat to you.
These are the
airports terrorists to you.
Like, what the fuck? Like, if there was any, if there was any death,
if there was any reason, and I don't know how anyone could get to this point and have any doubts,
but you fucking eliminated them.
And the thing also is, like, you could have, you could have
left it be, like, her claim against yours, and she didn't even talk about it to be, you know,
I was all there people talking about it, because she's, she's just kind of a fucking rockstar.
I can't, like, 22.
I mean, I'm blown away by this person, but, you know, like, she is,
she's sitting there not even talking about it.
Other people are telling us what happened,
but it could have been their word against yours.
And sort of, baby kind of tried,
but then Gavir is like, fucking clear.
Oh, yeah, oh, I did this.
This is what we totally did this.
And, you know, like, if you wanted to, yeah, I mean, I meant trying to pull, like,
imagery from the fucking Holocaust, but, you know, it's like the guy running, uh,
fucking Auschwitz, uh, bragging about it.
Like, in case, in case you were trying to deny it,
there's no fucking denying it now.
There wasn't any denying it before, like, the stuff is
document that is fuck, but still, you know, like, and then you have, like, Larry Ellison in this group,
buying fucking TikTok, and these people are just so, like, the idea that they have of how things work,
the idea that they have that, you know, like, oh, all we have to do is change the programming on TikTok,
and then magically it will change people.
No, people have seen what the fuck people are doing.
Like, you know, I, I, I will never, I will never go back to thinking anything positive about
the domestic rats ever again.
I, I saw these people laughing.
I saw them with their fingers in
their ears, Lala line.
I saw them vote for genocide and tell me that I had to vote for genocide.
Like,
I, I saw that shit.
I saw Harris over and over and over again, uh, declaring her undying,
unconditional, um, unwavering support for the country that was doing this, that was doing, and,
and also, like, even, you go back before October 7th, like, it's easy to focus on the last two years.
But, you know, you see, uh, what they've been doing for the last, like, 75 years,
and this is fucking horrible.
It's fucking horrible.
And again, like, you know, you look at, like,
South Africa, when they were still in a partite state, and you just understand, like, what that is,
and, you know, you understand also, like, I mentioned it before, but like, I'm lowering the lawn.
They're just, like, up there with sniper rifles, just taking people off, just like, yeah,
we're gonna, so people are walking in their little, their open air prison, going about their business,
and for all you know, somebody's got a bead on you, and you're just walking there, existing,
trying to go about your everyday life, and then you get popped, right, or the knocks on the roof,
you know, like, they toss something, and you're sitting in your place in your, uh, upstairs,
and you gotta get the fuck out, because the next one that comes in is gonna blow your shit up.
That was before October 7th, 2023.
That was happening for a long fucking time.
And it was also, again, well documented, like, everybody I know who actually went,
not necessarily to, like, Jerusalem, but they went to, uh, Raza,
at, at pretty fucking good, more, more clarity on this.
They knew what the fuck was going on.
Anyone who's actually dealt with and seen, like, just the, the lines that people have to go
through, and the, the borders, and the walls, and all this kind of shit,
is pretty clear.
It's, it's not, like, there's any room for doubt, and there's less room for doubt now.
There's just, it's, it's so fucking ridiculous.
It's just, like, I can't,
the, the idea that anyone now, two years into this thing, two years, and, you know,
well, almost 80 into this thing.
And when it's even the fucking UN is, is, is being clear.
And I'm not saying the UN wasn't clear already, but UN has completely disintegrated this
fucking Bernie Sanders finally called it.
Although he did, he did, you know, he called it a war,
and then talked about October 7th and a bunch of other bullshit.
But he did, he did at least
call it a genocide.
I guess that's something, way late.
The, the dude is fucking disappointed,
so disappointed.
But you know, like, he's still, he's talking about it.
He's calling it a genocide.
If you're at this stage, and you're not, and you have any room for doubt, that's a U-problem.
It's a total U-problem.
Now, I will say, being here at my mom and sister's place,
they both watch PBS news and the local news and then CNN.
They at least think,
fuck, don't watch MSNBC.
My uncle watches that.
And that stuff is Fox News.
Like, it's legitimately
Fox News.
Like, the fucking thing is, the people watching this shit, they know how bad Fox news is,
right? They understand that.
Somehow they don't know how bad MSNBC is.
Like, and I will say, like,
I remember, like, a decade and a half ago, I went to the gym and they'd have Fox News on,
and it was just like, physically painful.
Like, I had to get the fuck out of there.
I couldn't,
I could not be in the presence of those things.
Or I'd go to the airport and it was on or something.
And it would just, like, I need to get the fuck out.
I need to escape, fight or flight.
And now, I had, I've been at my uncles and MSNBC is on, which is funny also, because they got
that Scarborough guy who is one of the contract on America, people, like the, the people.
Like,
it's kind of a tell, like the, the people that you're listening to are the right wingers.
They're
not, yeah.
But MSNBC is the fucking same shit.
It's totally the same shit.
And if you don't see it,
you might have been brainwashed a little bit.
It's, it's, like, both of these calls,
they're red in the blue mega.
They have no fucking clue about themselves being in a cult,
but they know, uh, quite clearly that the other people are, although they have pretty twisted ideas
of, you know, like, what the other people are doing.
It's, it's very fucked up.
But they can't see it for
themselves.
They can't see, you know, they can't take a step back and go like, oh, oh,
fucking pro wrestling, you know.
It's, it's the same, like, it's literally the same programming,
but swapping out names.
Like, on one hand, and I'm not saying, like, Trump is legitimately
fucking horrible.
I don't want to in any way sound like I'm saying anything positive about them.
But, you know, the Democrats going, like, oh, it's the most, you know, the most important election
of your lifetime, and you have to vote for Holocaust Harris for genocide against Trump.
And at the
same time, at the same time, uh, Republicans are sitting there going, like, oh, whoa, you know,
she's, she's a, she's a comedy.
I fucking wish.
I fucking wish.
Like, if I fucking, when you know
about like her dad and all this kind of shit, it's just so disappointing, it's actually like what
the fuck, what the fuck? But, you know, like that, the way the Republicans talk about these people,
the way that, and actually also, she was calling Trump like a communist dictator, like,
again, I fucking wish.
Come on, beat fucking serious.
And she knows, like, she has zero
plausible than I ability there.
But, um, yeah, you like it, all these people, they see the other
people in a cult, and they don't step back and realize they're also in a cult.
They don't realize
that this fucking shit is pro wrestling.
It's completely, and I will say, like, in their defense,
it took me a long time to get it.
It took me, you know, a lot of steps to get to where I am.
It wasn't like an overnight thing.
It wasn't like I just woke up one day and I was like, oh shit.
Yeah, it took a lot to get me there.
So I understand it takes time and all of this.
I do wish
people get their fucking faster though.
Although I will say at least, at least, I think I see some
people kind of waking up.
I wish it was faster.
I wish that, and even though they're waking
up, they're still kind of like in the same sort of thing.
But they're getting a little bit
closer, maybe.
I hope.
I hope.
Again, like, the whole point of project 2025, and I see this a
lot too, also people talking about, like, oh, what the Republicans are doing, and we have to
all these same people that were using project 2025 to try to beat me over the head and try to
explain why I had to vote for Holocaust terrorists, why I had to vote for genocide.
I am familiar with
the fucking thing.
And what it was was not like the democratic version that they're trying to pass off
for the next cycle, which is just like some bullet points in no plan.
It was an extensive plan
half a century plus in the making, and it basically had strategy and tactics to not only completely
reform the, you know, all of our sort of bureaucratic processes, and essentially the regulatory
state and everything in government.
But basically, like, got everything, and then gain permanent power
independent of future elections.
There's literally like an explicitly stated objective in there.
And people who were telling me about this stuff, they're like, oh, you know, you got it.
You fuckers didn't read this shit.
They're surprised by what's going on.
It's like, it's literally
like, right, fucking there.
I wish, I don't know, I wish people fucking read shit or
understand shit or, and you may say, like, well, Scott, why did, if you knew this stuff, why didn't you,
there's some good fucking reasons for that, which is like, there's a slow train, and there's the fast
train.
Harris was the slower train, but still going to the same destination.
The plan that you're never
going to let any Republican ever win was ridiculous, it's fucking ridiculous.
And again, like,
I'm not going to vote for fucking genocide.
I'm not, I understand how bad things are, but I also
understand the history of this country.
This is a country built on top of the graves of a genocide
on a scale that would make Hitler blush, you know, and then slavery on top of that.
And, you know,
like, you just go through, and it literally, like, with Jim Crow and all this stuff, inspired Hitler,
you know, it was not like a, it was not like this place was a great place to begin with.
And you have all this stuff, and, you know, it's just, but I don't even want to get into it,
but it's just fucking horrible.
And, you know, I remember again, my friend, former friend,
saying, you're like, oh, do you really want to give up this right-shining star, this, you know,
that this is the second Republican in this country.
France is at what the fifth Republican.
I don't even, I've lost track.
Yeah, they're at the fifth Republican.
And their first
Republican was not as old as ours.
And their granddad was close, but, yeah, the first Republican
was 1792.
Yeah, so they're pretty close to ours, but now they're to five.
Like, we're at two,
we're past two, we're past two.
And Trump, in the first term, already showed us, like, how many
problems there are and how much our system is completely, just fundamentally, deeply broken,
not just because of all of the legacy of racism and, you know, white nationalism and all of
this other shit, but it's just deeply fundamentally broken, like the only system for preventing
abusive presidential power for the longest time, and until recently, when it was just, it finally
broke down, was basically just, like, decorum and, like, people are going to do the right thing
and not, you know, just do whatever the fuck they want.
And it turns out there were no real
enforcement there.
Similarly, the Supreme Court, which, again, like, dirt, um,
judicial review, not actually a thing in the Constitution.
It was just a power that they sort of
grabbed for themselves and asserted, but, you know, that the Supreme Court itself, the robe,
the priests, who get to decide if something is constitutional or not, they also, yeah, turns out,
they can just make up the fucking rules, they have no ethical standards, they have no independent
enforcement.
And, you know, like, technically, nominally, I guess you can impeach a Supreme Court
justice.
You know how many times that's happened and the course of the United States?
I give you a clue.
It's not, it's not, uh, it's not a number that needs more than one finger,
I think there was one that resigned under threat of impeachment and one was actually impeached.
I don't even remember the details, but it was basically, like, essentially, essentially,
not a thing that happens, um, and then you think about also, like, President's getting impeached.
Even if fucking Nixon wasn't impeached, he resigned.
You, you probably would have been impeached,
and he should have been impeached.
But, you know, like, the standards are basically not there.
And that was at a time where people at least pretended that, you know, like, something mattered
more than just partisanship and what team you're on.
And now, you know, you think about it,
like, how, I see people like sitting there talking about, like, how Trump needs to be impeached.
And first of all, like, look at the fucking order of succession.
Like, getting rid of him is not
going to magically fix things.
Yeah, it's not, it's just not.
And you could say, like, oh, well,
he's a demagogue and, um, you know, he's, he's a charismatic, but it doesn't fucking matter.
Because they're already in power.
They're, like, it doesn't matter what is approval rating is.
It also incidentally, like, people talk about how shitty is from, here's approval rating is,
well, his approval rating isn't that different than his first term.
And also, it's not that different
from Biden, uh, that roughly the same time or a little bit later.
So, it's not exactly, like,
and also, also, the approval rating doesn't, again, does not fucking matter.
It doesn't matter.
There's not, like, a thing where it's like, oh, well, the president doesn't have high enough
approval.
So now they're stripped of their powers.
They're, it's like a vote of no confidence.
They're like, we don't have that.
There's no, there's no no confidence.
There's no, there's essentially
no way to remove these people.
And there's also no independent enforcement.
There's no ethical standards.
You do kind of have, um, you know, some sort of standards for, like, uh, the parliamentarian
is going to enforce that people are following the rules and in, in Congress, but at the same time,
they can just make up the fucking rules, like it's not.
It's not like, uh, there's some magic.
They, people, a lot of people are surprised and are just slowly waking up to the fact that it's not,
again, like, laws are not magical in kind Asians, where people just have to follow the rules.
People can do whatever they want.
And if there's no enforcement, if there's nothing stopping them
from doing something bad, they can just do something bad.
It turns out.
It's actually,
it should be fucking scary to you, especially considering the number of nuclear weapons
on fucking ICBMs that this country has, should still just fuck out of you.
The fact that we
can, if we want to, just blow up ships in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, uh, we could, we could,
we could do that.
We could just, or, or anywhere in the world, we could just send a drone.
And somebody could be in their apartment on the other side of the world.
And somebody can send
one of these mixed master drones and just dice them and slice them.
They could be at a cafe or
something and just assassinate somebody.
And, and you could just do that.
With no, no trial, no conviction,
nothing other than you just decide that you're going to do it.
You could do it.
And that's, that's,
like, it, it's so fucked up when you think about it.
Like, that just how easy it is to do so much harm.
And how few rules there are.
Anyway, I, I, I think I'm actually going to wrap this up,
because I feel like I'm getting close to the time when, uh, I'm going to have no choice.
And I want to, I want to have, I want to end it on a, um, sort of my own terms instead of like,
oh, should I need to, I need to rush now.
Uh, so what, what I do want to say at this point is,
I opened up, um, I mean, I've been trying to figure out what to do, uh, for money for a long time.
I still have no fucking clue.
I do know, like, after my last job, uh, a nine to five kind of thing
where I go into a physical office.
I said there, um, I, I can't do it.
I physically cannot do it.
Uh, it was excruciating.
And, you know, the, the commute also, like, particularly, but the whole thing sucked.
Um, and, and again, like, I understand that job was actually much better than the jobs that a lot of people have.
Um, but still sucked.
So, I've been thinking about this a lot, and, you know, I've been trying to get, like,
contract work and some other stuff, not really having much success there either.
And I, I don't know that this is going to be a path forward, but I, I opened up a Patreon, um,
it's patreon.com slash, uh, S Minor.
So, uh, Sierra Mark Echo November Echo, I, I don't even know how
to spell my own name.
Oh my god.
Sierra Mark Echo, Romeo Oscar November S Minor.
So, if you are listening to this, um, you know, give me a review, give me a review, show me with your friends,
get people to the sign up for that or sign up for it.
If you're in a position to do it, if you're not,
you know, like, obviously, like, there are a lot of people that are in much worse places than I am.
But I am really hoping that that becomes a path forward.
No, because I, I just, I, I, I keep
thinking about, like, I for so long have been trying so hard to, like, either raise money and work
on my own stuff, which is what I kind of really want to do.
Um, but, you know, like, it's so
big excruciating, like, I know I'm very confident if I would have been, uh, a fucking liar and, like,
a scam artist and a magician and just showed people like, oh, look at this magic.
I could probably
have gotten a lot of money a long time ago from VCs and just, like, bullshited people and been
on ethical or or or if I wanted to build weapons, I could probably get money for that or I could work
for, you know, the only jobs I've not applied for that I see come across are for, like,
Raytheon and Northward Grumman and all this kind of stuff.
I, I, I, I, I'm not going to do that.
Uh, but it, those are the ones that seem to be, you know, in abundance, it's fucking annoying.
Uh, but I, I really would like to find a way something sustainable that, let's me work on my own
stuff, let's me make these, let's me have, you know, like, some freedom.
I don't, I don't, like,
I don't, like, I don't really want to be, like, rich.
I just want to be comfortable.
I want to be
able to have my own space.
I want to have autonomy is a very big thing for me and I want to be
able to work on my own shit and I'm really hoping that that helps.
So, um, if you're listening,
if you made it this far in this, um, Patreon.com slash Sierra Mark Echo, um, Oscar November,
Esmanor.
And, you know, give what you can.
Sign up for a subscription that would be extraordinarily
awesome.
Uh, also also, I guess I should say, if you are doing that, uh, and you're in the position
to do that, go to fairshare.help, um, F-A-I-R-S-H-A-R-E.help, and give somebody to one of the mutual aid
things there, either for someone in Palestine, somebody's family.
There are a lot of them there.
There are, like, a few hundred, uh, but there are also other ones for other people.
And, if you go
there, it will give you a random list and the one on top, just give somebody to that one, whoever it is,
um, it'll be randomly selected for you and every time you refresh, it'll come up with a new one.
Give them some money and kind of give me some money.
I would, I would appreciate it.
Not that I feel like we're asking for it, but, um, I don't want to be, I don't want to be in the
situation.
I really don't want to be in the situation where I just completely run out of money.
Now, which I'm very close to.
So with that, uh, thank you very much for listening and I greatly
appreciate it as always.
And, uh, thank you Greta.
Um, like, I am truly moved, not only by you,
but by the almost 500 other people on that flotilla and the other flotillas that have come before
and the ones that are coming, the thing that's wild also was like, uh, this last one I understand
because of the, the weather is about the last one that they could do in the year, uh, because it's just
not navigable.
And I still see people going out doing new ones, um, smaller groups, but still
people are doing it.
And unfortunately, I'm sure this is going to go on for a while and it would be
nice if, you know, like, call your fucking Congress people wherever you are, call your representatives,
call your, uh, your leadership and get them to do something.
It would be fucking nice.
It would be,
like, kind of a good thing to stop a fucking genocide, you know, beyond the right side of that,
that would be cool.
Um, and then also also, um, this from, um, I think, I actually do have to wrap up.
So, um, I was going to talk about Japan and, uh, the probable fascist Prime Minister coming up
at, uh, that's, that's a, and they're horrible story for another time.
Anyway, thanks as ever,
and, uh, thank you Greta, thanks everybody on the flotilla and, uh, yeah, as ever,
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