In this episode, Hyram and Ian discuss the intricacies of grief not only in losing a loved one but also in losing something you love. They also reflect on their own experiences with grief as well as what is causing them grief in the present day. Topics discussed include sadness, loss of loved ones, Kubler-Ross Model of Grief, Indigenous perspectives on grief, preparing to lose loved ones, and thematic elements of grief in life. Also, should you worship Ian?