In Part Two with Coach Ben Herring, we move from theory to application and explore what it actually takes to build culture that lasts. Ben explains why belonging drives performance and what it means to coach without resentment. Through stories from Japan and reflections on the culture of the New Zealand All Blacks rugby team, he shows how connection creates buy-in and allows hard conversations to land. If you care about leadership that shapes people, not just results, this one goes deep.

In Part One with Ben Herring, former professional rugby player, international coach, author and podcast host, we explore where culture really starts.

We talk about curiosity as a culture additive and the power of simple daily greetings. Ben challenges coaches to shift focus from X’s and O’s to connection, arguing that how you teach matters more than what you teach.

If you’re wondering where to begin with culture, this is a clear and practical starting point.

In Part Two, Matt Thomann shifts from defining “mettle” to building it. He argues that hope and gratitude form real toughness under pressure, then leaves you with a question: Are you building for the next win, or for the long haul?

In Part One, Matt Thomann introduces “mettle” as a healthier definition of toughness shaped by lived experience. Matt reflects on how a cancer diagnosis and a subsequent stroke forced him to reconsider what strength really looks like. This conversation explores how growth becomes sustainable when vulnerability replaces bravado and when faith moves from something you say to something you trust.

In Part Two, Connor Emeny moves beyond the decision to chase seven Ironman races and into the lived reality of what that commitment demands. Connor reflects on the moments that tested his resolve and the internal negotiations that surface when motivation fades. This conversation explores what it takes to stay aligned with a long-term pursuit when certainty disappears and commitment has to carry the weight.

In Part One, Connor Emeny joins us to share how his decision to pursue an Ironman triathlon evolved into an extraordinary goal: completing one on all seven continents. Connor reflects on why setting a goal this demanding matters, and what the physical and mental toll reveals about discipline, identity, and long-term commitment. This episode explores the value of choosing a path that is intentionally hard — not for the finish line, but for who you’re forced to become along the way.

Former CFL lineman Angus Reid returns to unpack his new book Teenager and what he’s learning from coaching, parenting, and working with teens every day. The conversation centers on shifting away from external results toward one internal question. It’s a grounded listen for parents, coaches, and anyone trying to guide teenagers without adding more noise.

In part two of the conversation, Rod Pedersen reflects on leadership from the inside out — what it looks like when trust is real and standards are actually lived. Drawing from his time around the CFL, NHL, WHL, and youth sport, Rod challenges listeners to stop chasing outcomes and start owning the culture they create.

Hall of Fame broadcaster Rod Pedersen joins Grit and Growth for a raw and meaningful conversation about leadership, resilience, and purpose.Drawing from decades around elite athletes and coaches, Rod shares the defining trait he’s seen in the best leaders: they don’t quit. He also opens up about his personal journey through addiction, sobriety, and recovery, and how those experiences reshaped his definition of success.This episode is about grit, growth, and being there for others—especially young athletes navigating pressure, identity, and mental health.🎧 Part one with Rod Pedersen starts here.

Our most-listened-to episode of 2025 is back!

We’re replaying our conversation with Brook Cupps on authentic leadership, building clear personal pillars, and leading with values that actually last.

If you missed it the first time, this one’s worth your time.