Bailee and Ashley dig into the idea of “guilty pleasures” and how evangelical culture shaped their relationship to fun, rest, and indulgence. From the suspicion of secular music and movies, to the shame around food, fashion, and even hobbies, they reflect on how pleasure was often framed as dangerous or sinful.

They also share how they’re learning to reclaim joy without guilt — embracing simple delights, rethinking what it means to rest, and finding freedom in pleasures that don’t need justifying.

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