In this episode I host a dialogue between Buddhist teacher and doctor of Tibetan Medicine Dr Nida Chenagtsang and adult psychiatrist and family and systemic psychotherapist Dr Caroline Van Damme.

Drs Nida and Caroline reflect on a half decade of collaboration in which they have explored the meeting of Western psychology and psychiatry with Tibetan medical and Buddhist models.

They discuss the strengths and weaknesses of each others’ systems, consider placebo as an explanatory mechanism for traditional health systems, question the benefits of an over-therapised culture, and contrast Tibetan and European approaches to knowledge.

Drs Nida and Caroline also discuss the role of traditional ideas of spirit possession in today’s clinical contexts, share anecdotes of exorcisms and psychosis, and offer their best insights and techniques to truly nurture the mind.

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Topics include:

00:00 - Intro

01:04 - How did their collaboration begin?

02:38 - Dr Nida’s long standing interest in Western Psychology

06:38 - Meeting Dr Caroline

08:30 - Sowa Rigpa Counsellor Course

13:23 - The power of individualised therapy

16:14 - Reflections on Buddhist psychology and Sowa Rigpa

22:23 - Trauma and childhood conditioning

23:52 - Tibetan vs European ways of thinking

28:50 - Industrial revolution, scientism, and mind-body dualism

30:43 - Open-mindedness when working with psychotic patients

33:04 - Family therapy

36:57 - Weaknesses of Tibetan medicine

42:59 - Traditional medicine leans into placebo

45:46 - Do malevolent spirits cause psychological illnesses?

46:54 - African cultural ideas about spirits and black magic

47:40 - Do exorcisms cause further trauma?

53:12- Dr Nida reflects on the strengths of Western Psychology

57:05 - Too much digging for trauma

58:49 - European Garden vs Tibetan Forest

01:03:23 - Psychological illness from a spirit-influence perspective

01:05:04 - Exorcism rituals as a psychological tool

01:08:01 - Machig Labdron and the greatest evil spirit

01:08:40 - Using spirit-beliefs to encourage personal hygiene

01:09:23 - Exposure therapy

01:11:53 - A Canadian account of possession

01:14:32 - Dr Nida’s African patients

01:15:33 - A ghost story case study

01:21:04 - Duty of care

01:23:00 - The importance of sleep

01:27:54 - Nurturing the mind

01:33:42 - Blaming parents

01:36:55 - Compassion vs positivity

01:39:30 - Attributing everything to childhood trauma

01:42:09 - “Nurturing the Mind” online course

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To find out more about “Nurturing the Mind: A Dialogue between a Psychiatrist & a Yogi“, visit:

- https://www.sowarigpainstitute.org/course/nurturing-the-mind

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Previous episodes with Dr Nida Chenagtsang:

- https://www.guruviking.com/search?q=nida

Previous episodes with Dr Caroline van Damme:

- https://www.guruviking.com/search?q=caroline

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In this episode, I am joined by Dr Christopher “Hareesh” Wallis, a Sanskritist and scholar-practitioner of Classical Tantra.

Christopher recounts his unusual upbringing, early meetings with Osho and Muktananda, early shaktipat experiences, and powerful spiritual awakenings.

Christopher traces his educational journey under professors such as Douglas Brooks and Alexis G. J. S. Sanderson, offers his opinions about optimal pedagogy for Sanskrit language study, and questions lineage claims made in Tibetan Buddhism.

Christopher also considers the tension between religious faith and academic skepticism, explains why he thinks it is possible to receive spiritual benefit from corrupt gurus, and descries why he believes spiritual awakening leads to a deep trust in the unfolding of life.

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Topics include:

00:00 - Intro

00:57 - An unusual family of origin

03:28 - Mother’s conversion to Hinduism

03:50 - Meeting Osho and Swami Muktananda

05:17 - Awakening experience at 16 years old

05:55 - Attraction to Tantric Shaivism

07:35 - Academic training and intellectual infatuation

09:00 - Multiple teachers

10:13 - Seeing through intellectual ego

12:57 - Teenage rebellion and psychedelics

14:44 - Love of sci fi and fantasy

17:05 - Siddha yoga shaktipat

18:33 - Gurumayi Chidvilasananda

20:33 - Heart opening shaktipat

24:01 - Saint or psychopath?

28:26 - The guru’s shadow

30:18 - Transmission from a disgraced guru

32:25 - No single objective reality

35:32 - No doubts despite guru’s flaws

38:18 - Has Christopher missed the point?

39:53 - Parsing subjective certainty

41:55 - A belief but not really

43:21 - Innate intelligence and trusting the unfolding of life

46:50 - Harmonising with the pattern

50:17 - Don’t pretend to be more enlightened that you are

51:56 - The same awakening as the Buddha’s

54:22 - Waking up out of your tradition

55:32 - Agnosticism about reincarnation

57:29 - BA at Rochester

01:00:53 - Alexis G. J. S. Sanderson

01:05:40 - Great professors at Rochester

01:08:22 - Learning Sanskrit

01:11:12 - Art of translation

01:13:27 - Sanskrit pedagogy

01:16:42 - Christopher’s approach to teaching Sanskrit

01:21:19 - Why learn Sanskrit?

01:24:10 - Parallel primer method

01:26:06 - Does academia ruin religious faith?

01:30:39 - Mantra disillusionment

01:34:40 - Disillusionment with saints and siddhas

01:38:10 - Religious professors

01:39:13 - Debunking tantric lineage claims

01:42:05 - Did Tibetan Buddhists fabricated their lineages?

01:43:10 - Tantric Shaivism as a living tradition

01:46:16 - Is Christopher a lineage holder?

01:48:04 - Critique of lineage holders and lamas

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To find our more about Dr Wallis visit:

- https://hareesh.org/

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- https://www.guruviking.com

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In this episode I am joined by British occultists, authors, and creative collaborators Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford.

Alan and Duncan reflect on their decades of shared magickal practice and creative collaboration. They recall their first meeting at the secret society the “Illuminates of Thanateros” and muse on the gatekeeping and status games of the Chaos magick scene. They explain why they feel their emphasis on awakening and association with Buddhist writer and self-proclaimed arhat Daniel Ingram has contributed to their being shunned by leading figures in British occultism.

Alan and Duncan take a deep dive into their controversial new understanding of Aleister Crowley, address criticism levelled at them, and reveal the idealogical mistake that drove Alan to withdraw one of his biggest public projects.

Alan and Duncan also share their current practices, detail how to develop visionary capability, give their best understanding about how magick really works, and offer their advice for those who wish to enter the path of Western occultism.

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Video: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep345-magick-awakening-crowley-alan-chapman-duncan-barford

Also available on Youtube, iTunes, & Spotify – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’.

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Topics include:

00:00 - Intro

01:13 - Meeting at an occult secret society

06:29 - Formative experiences of group magick

07:36 - Should you join the IoT?

07:53 - The importance of group magick

08:19 - Timidity in magickal practice

10:20 - What does magick have to do with enlightenment?

12:03 - Jealousy in spiritual circles

14:38 - Peter Carroll vs Neoplatonism

17:11 - Alan and Duncan’s contribution to Chaos Magick

19:07 - Feuds between religionists

20:33 - What kind of person is drawn to Chaos Magick?

22:25 - Gatekeeping and status games

23:10 - The best thing about Chaos Magicians

25:45 - Bad uses of Chaos Magick

28:38 - Being ignored by the magickal community

29:24 - Why were Alan and Duncan ignored?

30:!4 - Controversial association with Daniel Ingram

31:54 - Why did Peter Carroll dislike Alan and Duncan?

33:01 - How to understand magickal results and synchronicities

36:46 - How Duncan’s practice has changed over time

40:13- Awakening and the structure of things

43:16 - Alan’s current practice

43:57 - The everyday as a basis

45:07 - How to get started in magick

52:35 - Permission and confidence

53:41 - Developing visionary capability

54:55 - Alan’s understanding of the path

01:00:32 - Pinnacle of practical magick

01:01:46 - Duncan’s Goddess vision

01:03:14 - The basis of the path

01:07:50 - How magick works

01:09:00 - Criticism of Alan abandoning projects

01:16:14 - Sigmund Freud

01:16:57 - Why do people criticise Alan?

01:18:56 - One thing that really annoys Alan

01:20:53 - Resentment and psychological shadow

01:22:43 - Malevolence and denying enlightenment

01:29:26 - A dark occult conference experience

01:31:20 - Envy and counter-initiation

01:33:51 - Creative journey

01:35:49 - The toxic belief in cultural progress

01:39:38 - Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory

01:41:10 - Daniel Ingram’s pivot to science

01:42:19 - The spirit of the times

01:44:08 - Realising cultural chauvinism

01:49:53 - Desire to do something else

01:51:30 - Source of many problems

01:53:23 - The Crowley project

02:01:15 - Alan’s academic approach

02:03:53 - Legal challenges

02:06:34 - Crowley on Chinese wisdom

02:09:05 - Dao De Jing

02:17:24 - Misunderstandings about the Dao De Jing

02:19:03 - Jung’s (mis?)undersanding of Asian classics

02:21:06 - Western alchemy and spirit writing

02:23:19 - Two kinds of researchers

02:290:02 - Life of Aleister Crowley

02:31:28 - The Inner Church

02:33:28 - The Bornless Rite

02:35:18 - The Book of the Law

02:45:24 - Crossing the abyss

02:47:39 - Mad or enlightened?

02:52:20 - Liber 31

02:53:53 - Crowley’s failures

02:55:57 - Jung and Philip K Dick

02:56:41 - Controversial take on Crowley

03:00:48 - Why follow Crowley’s path?

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In this episode, filmed on location in Kathmandu, Nepal, I am joined by Buddhist nun Guruma Dhamma Vijaya.

Guruma recalls her childhood in Kathmandu Valley, the religious life of her Newar Vajrayāna family, and why she turned to Theravāda Buddhism and took ordination as a nun.

Guruma recounts her extensive training in Mahasi and Goenka meditation styles, compares tantric techniques to ānāpānassati, and offers her understanding of the essence of Buddhist teaching.

Guruma details her educational journey, describes her life-changing encounter with feminism while studying in the USA, and tells the story of obtaining a PhD on the subject of Buddhist Feminism.

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Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep344-nepali-buddhist-nun-guruma-dhamma-vijaya

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Topics include:

00:00 - Intro

00:50 - Homage to Buddha, Dhamma, Saṅgha

01:54 - Blessing and welcome

02:33 - Question etiquette in different cultures

03:17 - Guruma’s Newar childhood in Kathmandu Valley

06:11 - Guruma’s education pathway to PhD

06:36 - Family dynamics

07:30 - First meeting with Buddhist nuns

09:46 - From Vajrayāna to Theravāda

11:12 - Desire to be a nun

12:48 - Attending a teaching by the Dalai Lama in Bodhgaya

13:54 - The loss of the bhikkhunī ordination lineage

14:28 - Becoming a nun

17:54 - 4 years of study in Taiwan

19:20 - Meditation and further studies in Burma and India

20:02 - Studying meditation under Mahasi Sayadaw and S.N. Goenka

26:37 - Mahasi vs Goenka

27:37 - 4 points of Goenka meditation

29:10 - Ānāpānassati meditation is the Buddha’s teaching

29:55 - Guruma’s practie

30:51 - Vajrayāna vs Theravāda

36:27 - Body mantras and Vajrayāna threats

39:15 - Choosing Ānāpānassati over Vajrayāna

43:23 - Freedom from suffering

45:38 - The essence of Buddhist teaching

47:25 - Encountering feminism

54:58 - Messy status of nuns in Nepal

01:03:02 - Theravāda revival

01:05:39 - Tragic reason why Guruma’s teacher became a nun

01:08:14 - Buddhist pilgrimage sites

01:08:54 - Life is precious and exhortation to practice

01:1341 - Dedication prayer and blessing

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Kathmandu Interviews playlist:

- https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlkzlKFgdknwvU82dU487LhF_mF4AkGek&si=4U8rRVEHKA4Z28oF

Find out more about Guruma here:

- http://tartaruspress.com/russell-rampa.html

- https://www.arthurmachen.org.uk/

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- https://www.guruviking.com

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R.B. Russell, author and founder of Tartarus Press, takes us on a deep dive into the life and works of Welsh author and mystic Arthur Machen. 

Ray traces the religious life of Machen, his involvement with the occult society the Golden Dawn, and his friendship with famed occultist A.E. Waite.

Ray details Machen’s fascination with the esoteric symbolism of the Grail mythology; his role in originating and spreading the supernatural, urban myth of the Bowman; and impact of his notorious horror-fantasy novella ”The Great God Pan”.

Ray also shares his reflections on literary theory, the various interpretations of Shakespeare, and the prevalence of psychoanalytic readings of classic genre fiction.

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Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep343-the-mystic-arthur-machen-rb-russell

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Topics include:

00:00 - Intro

01:07 - First encounter with the works of Arthur Machen

05:25 - Hill of Dreams and an abiding interest

06:21 - Mysteries of Machen

07:12 - Life of Arthur Machen

09:29 - Involvement with occultism

17:11 - The Great God Pan

22:19 - Machen, Lovecraft, and the mystical

26:17 - Reflections on literary theory

27:26 - Why so many psychoanalytic readings of horror?

29:13 - Historicism vs textualism

31:40 - Shakespeare and classic vs modern productions

34:38 - The Great God Pan needs to be Victorian

35:25 - Machen’s involvement in the Golden Dawn

38:43 - Grail Myth as a spiritual path and an early Welsh church

39:26 - Friendship with occultist A.E. Waite

40:05 - The Great Return and the evolution of awe

43:41 - Why were so many writers fascinated by the Grail Myth and King Arthur?

46:15 - Esoteric symbolism of the Grail

48:52 - Links to Roman Britain

49:58 - Machen’s Oxford disappointment and subsequent work

53:05 - The Bowmen and urban myths

57:28 - Reading vs collecting books

01:02:27 - Ray’s prized item and Machen collection

01:03:34 - Tartarus Press and Machen publishing projects

01:05:28 - Friends of Arthur Machen society

01:07:06 - Faunus journal

01:07:22 - Where to start with Machen for those interested in the occult and mysticism

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Previous episode with Ray:

- https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/p319-mystery-of-t-lobsang-rampa-rb-russell

Find out more about Ray here:

- http://tartaruspress.com/russell-rampa.html

- https://www.arthurmachen.org.uk/

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- https://www.guruviking.com

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In this episode, I am once again joined by Dhammarato: a lineage teacher in the Thai Buddhist tradition who is known for his unique, 1-1 teaching conversations conducted with students online. 

Dhammarato guides us through the Ānāpānassatisutta, a much loved scripture which describes Buddhism’s famous breath meditation practice.

Dhammarato describes the technique in detail, challenges common misconceptions about this practice and the sutta, and explains how the whole Buddhist path is contained within it.

Dhammarato also argues that loving kindness meditations and remembering past lives are not Buddhist practices, addresses jhana and other meditation practice mistakes, and reflects on the fruits of his own practice when faced with illness and physical pain.

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Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep342-npnassati-dhammarato

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Topics Include:

00:00 - Intro

00:52 - Various breathing meditations

02:28 - MN 118: Ānāpānassatisutta - about the sutta

04:58 - 4 foundations of mindfulness

05:37 - Factors of Enlightenment

06:39 - Mistaken readings of the sutta

08:01 - Critique of loving kindness meditation

10:12 - Sitting meditation vs ānāpānassati

11:22 - Sati vs loving kindness meditation and recalling past lives

13:00 - Right noble looking

13:55 - Entering the first jhana and gladdening the mind

17:19 - Victim attitude

19:31 - How to make the body comfortable

22:36 - The skill of developing sukha, satisfaction

26:02 - Thoughts, feelings, and body are interrelated

27:35 - Ānāpānassati is not a breathing meditation

28:42 - Pragmatic Dharma vs Engaged Buddhism

30:25 - How to apply ānāpānassati

33:27 - The first step of nobility

36:22 - A feeling of success

39:14 - Attaining knowledge and deliverance

41:58 - Common jhana practice mistakes

46:52 - Loving kindness meditation mistakes

51:50 - Metta is a consequence not a practice

53:06 - Vipassanā vs samatha

57:10 - Explaining other Buddhist masters’ enlightenments

59:23 - Comments on Ajahn Chah and correct practice

01:01:53 - Working with pain and sickness

01:03:06 - Cancer and meditation

01:05:31 - Dhammarato’s aging and health

01:06:03 - Criticism of Goenka and sitting through pain

01:07:11 - Magical thinking of sitting through pain

01:08:28 - Advice for approaching death

01:10:53 - Dhammarato reflects on the deaths of his loved ones

01:13:37 - How to die happy


Dhammarato Episode Playlist

- https://www.guruviking.com/search?q=DHAMMARATO

To find out more about Dhammarato, visit:

- Email: [email protected]

- Discord: https://discord.gg/epphTGY

- https://dhammaratoblog.wordpress.com/

- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjxg5GJFsRqnS-YLTzyrjLQ

Read the Ānāpānassatisutta:

- https://suttacentral.net/mn118/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin

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For more interviews, videos, and more visit.

- www.guruviking.com

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In this bonus episode, I share with you a Guru Viking remix video created by Zakery Mizell from the Youtube channel Zakery Mizell.

Zakery’s channel focuses on knowledge and beauty and he has made several videos commenting on and even remixing episodes of the Guru Viking podcast. When I came across his remixes, I enjoyed his approach very much and we agreed to share his work here.

In this video, Zakery records a five hour livestream sharing his perspectives on various Guru Viking poetry episodes.

I will also share another of his Guru Viking videos in which Zakery remixes my poetry interviews with poets John Brehm and Henry Shukman, rearranging the material and adding his own visual effects to create a new interpretation of that episode. So look out for that video on the Guru Viking channel too.

Find out more about Zakery:

- https://www.youtube.com/@ZakeryMizell

Watch the original Guru Viking episodes used in Zakery’s videos:

- https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep274-poetry-the-sacred-henry-shukman-john-brehm

- https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep230-the-dharma-of-poetry-john-brehm

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- www.guruviking.com

Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James

In this bonus episode, I share with you a Guru Viking remix video created by Zakery Mizell from the Youtube channel Zakery Mizell.

Zakery’s channel focuses on knowledge and beauty and he has made several videos commenting on and even remixing episodes of the Guru Viking podcast. When I came across his remixes, I enjoyed his approach very much and we agreed to share his work here.

In this video, Zakery remixes my poetry interviews with poets John Brehm and Henry Shukman, rearranging the material and adding visual effects to create a new interpretation of that episode.

I will also share another of his Guru Viking videos in which he records a five hour livestream sharing his perspectives on various episodes. So look out for that video on the Guru Viking channel too.

Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep340-poetry-and-the-sacred-remix-bonus-episode-john-brehm-and-henry-shukman

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Find out more about Zakery:

https://www.youtube.com/@ZakeryMizell

Watch the original Guru Viking episodes used in Zakery’s videos:

- https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep274-poetry-the-sacred-henry-shukman-john-brehm

- https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep230-the-dharma-of-poetry-john-brehm

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- www.guruviking.com

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In this interview I am joined by Dr Thomas Clough Daffern, philosopher, educator, peace activist, and peace officer for the Council of British Druid Orders.

Dr Daffern explains the meaning of Christmas and the Winter Solstice, reflects on cyclic time and indigenous wisdom, and shares his own recent reckonings with death and loss.

Dr Daffern reveals the esoteric and mythic symbolism of the Christmas tree, mistletoe, gift giving, and even Father Christmas himself.

Dr Daffern also shares his thoughts on the current world situation, why he is an optimist about the future of civilisation, and why he believes it is the moral duty of those with knowledge and power to share it with the world.

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Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep339-christmas-the-winter-solstice-dr-thomas-clough-daffern

Also available on Youtube, iTunes, & Spotify – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’.

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Topics Include:

00:00 - Intro

00:50 - How Thomas spends this time of year

03:02 - The worst year of Thomas’ life

04:19 - Death of Thomas’ daughter

07:30 - Reckoning with death

10:14 - What the traditions say about the current world situation

12:14 - Druids and cyclical time

12:52 - Increasing wisdom in the world

13:18 - Sophia-phobia

15:11 - Why Thomas is an optimist about the future

18:07 - The meaning of Winter Solstice

18:12 - Christmas and Mithraism

19:34 - Megalithic civilisations and prehistorical religion

25:39 - The Golden Bough and indigenous European wisdom

26:54 - Death and rebirth

29:21 - Rituals and symbols of Christmas

31:23 - Symbolism of the Christmas tree

33:34 - The meaning of “Christmas”

34:31 - Symbolism of mistletoe

35:40 - Symbolism of present giving

36:37 - Thomas comments on peace in the Middle East

37:59 - Is symbolism and the esoteric only for an elite minority?

41:29 - The aristocratic hippy and sharing wisdom

42:37 - The moral duty to share knowledge and power

44:52 - Symbolism of Father Christmas / Santa Claus

46:15 - Concluding thoughts

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Previous episodes with Dr Thomas Clough Daffern:

- https://www.guruviking.com/search?q=daffern

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To find our more about Dr Thomas Clough Daffern, visit:

- https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-clough-daffern-phd-6a3463a

- https://interfaithpeacetreaty.wordpress.com/

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For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- www.guruviking.com

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In this episode, I am once again joined by Gerald Ilyas Klawatsch, Sufi musician, music therapist, and founder of the international musical ensemble Ak Pirim.

Ilyas presents the sacred music of Sufism, explains its various instruments and principles, and performs musical pieces live.

Ilyas tells stories of discipleship under his Sufi master, recounts profound moments of spiritual bliss, and reflects on the power of music for emotional healing.

Ilyas also explains the role of ecstatic trance in Sufism and reveals special breathing techniques to induce transcendent states.

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Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep338-sacred-sufi-music-the-art-of-ecstasy-gerald-ilyas-klawatsch-2

Also available on Youtube, iTunes, & Spotify – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’.


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00:00 - Intro

00:47 - Combining spiritual life with the arts

04:46 - Beauty as a quality of the Divine

07:37 - Sacred calligraphy

11:36 - Music as the main spiritual art

13:!6 - A Sufi creation story

16:32 - How Ilyas learned Sufi music

22:52 - Mystical drunkenness

26:59 - Ney, the Sufi flute

32:03 - Performance: Ney flute

32:52 - A story of a Ney master

35:03 - Music and poetry

36:44 - Arabian maqam

38:51 - About the Oud

40:42 - Performance: Oud

42:25 - Zikr

43:41 - About the Bendhir

44:06 - Performance: Bendhir

44:29 - Performance: Oud

45:37 - Trance, ecstasy, and hyperventilation

50:22 - Awakening the heart

53:08 - Two personal stories of Ilyas’ spiritual and music master

59:53 - About the Rebâb

01:02:34 - Performance: Rebâb

01:03:46 - Music therapy

01:05:28 - Healing and personal expression

01:10:06 - A story of Ilyas’ music master

01:12:55 - Shamanism and music

01:14:13 - Performance: Bendhir Sufi song

01:15:25 - Performance: Bendhir shamanic song

01:17:05 - About the Qyl-Qobyz, a shamanic instrument

01:18:28 - About the Çeng harp

01:19:43 - Performance: Çeng harp

01:21:08 - Where to hear more of Ilyas’ music

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Previous episode with Gerald Ilyas Klawatsch:

- https://www.guruviking.com/search?q=ilyas

To find out more about Gerald Ilyas Klawatsch, visit:

- https://bengusu.com/g-ilyas-klatsch/

- https://www.youtube.com/@akpirimensemble

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- https://www.guruviking.com

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