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Everyone wants to know: What will it take to defeat Hamas once and for all?

In this episode of Israel: State of a Nation, Eylon Levy sits down with Michael Doran, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and former U.S. National Security Council official, to break down the bigger war beyond Gaza—and what it will take to end Hamas for good.

Doran argues that Hamas is just a pawn in Iran’s larger war against Israel, and that Tehran is the true mastermind keeping the terror group alive. But is Iran really the key to victory, or do Hamas’s other patrons—Qatar, Turkey, and Egypt—also bear responsibility?

Key topics covered:
🔹 How to take down Hamas—what’s the real strategy for ending this war?
🔹 Iran’s role in the war—does cutting off Tehran mean the collapse of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis?
🔹 Qatar, Turkey, and Egypt—How much power do they really have over Hamas?
🔹 The seven-front war—can Israel afford to focus on one enemy, or is every front a potential disaster?
🔹 What happens if Hamas survives?—the stakes of failing to finish the job.

See more of Michael's work with The Hudson Institute here: www.hudson.org

00:00 - Coming up
00:15 - Monologue
02:31 - Welcome
03:45 - Understanding Iran
06:47 - Defining state sponsors
11:10 - US role in framing Hamas
15:12 - Iran's support of Hamas
23:34 - Hezbollah's role 
31:02 - Let's talk about Qatar
46:20 - US role in Qatar
48:53 - Let's talk about the Egyptians
53:35 - Who to focus on
59:48 - Where does Turkey fit into this?
1:07:00 - The Future of the Middle East
1:12:48 - Wrap Up
1:13:44 - Outro

Co-Creator and Host - Eylon Levy
Co-Creator - Guy Ross
Executive Producer - Asher Westropp-Evans
Director/Editor - Benny Goldman
Studio Manager - Lotem Segev
Graphics - Thomas Girsch
Intern - Jesse Sklar

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