Round 13 talking points happened mostly off the field, join James and Brendan as they dissect the controversies emerging from the round.

Round 13 talking points happened mostly off the field, join James and Brendan as they dissect the controversies emerging from the round.

12 rounds down and the boys pick apart the long term credibility of North Melbourne, West Coast and the Sydney sides.

12 rounds down and the boys pick apart the long term credibility of North Melbourne, West Coast and the Sydney sides.

At the halfway point James and Brendawg decide that Collingwood and Richmond have validated the haters and ask: is West Coast's bad away record a matter of gameplan or are the just not that good?

At the halfway point James and Brendawg decide that Collingwood and Richmond have validated the haters and ask: is West Coast's bad away record a matter of gameplan or are the just not that good?

This week the boys deliver a fistful of reality cheques, take a tantric approach the Carlton’s renaissance and Brendan floats the upside of a possible Roughead retirement.

This week the boys deliver a fistful of reality cheques, take a tantric approach the Carlton’s renaissance and Brendan floats the upside of a possible Roughead retirement.

This week the boys probe the zeitgeist and consider is the tag back? are we on the verge of a ruck renaissance? and what's the beef with rushed behinds?

This week the boys probe the zeitgeist and consider is the tag back? are we on the verge of a ruck renaissance? and what's the beef with rushed behinds?