Former METCO counselor Marian Howe-Taylor joins the conversation to drop some knowledge, and to set the record straight about Gloria's incident with the cops.   In this episode, Marian Howe-Taylor recites MIDWAY by, Naomi Long Madgett: I've come this far to freedom and I won't turn back I'm climbing to the highway from my old dirt track      I'm coming and I'm going      And I'm stretching and I'm growing And I'll reap what I've been sowing or my skin's not black I've prayed and slaved and waited and I've sung my song You've bled me and you've starved me but I've still grown strong      You've lashed me and you've treed me      And you've everything but freed me But in time you'll know you need me and it won't be long. I've seen the daylight breaking high above the bough I've found my destination and I've made my vow;      So whether you abhor me      Or deride me or ignore me Mighty mountains loom before me and I won't stop now.   Naomi Long Madgett passed away just after we recorded this episode. Our thoughts are with her family and all who knew her and her poetry. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/books/naomi-long-madgett-dead.html

This one goes deep. For the first time Gloria opens up to Carrie about a hate crime she experienced when they were in elementary school. They reflect on the racial tension that divided a community.

Gloria and Carrie reminisce about their different morning routines growing up. Later, they share the story behind why they named the podcast: Hard Candy and Fruit Snacks. Gloria and Carrie's 3rd grade class. Support Boston's METCO program: https://metcoinc.org

Inspired Kamala Harris, Gloria and Carrie reflect on working together in their 20s and finding the courage to say "I'm speaking."

Gloria and Carrie continue to explore the differences of being white and black in America. And why it feels like Black Americans continue to get the short end of the stick. an Atlantic article about Boston's METCO program by Alana Semuels https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/04/boston-metco-program-school-desegregation/584224/

In this episode Carrie admits that white guilt often makes her over-compensate. Gloria talks about the conversations that occur at the dinner table when you’re raising a black son in America. produced by: Frankie Fulleda, Gloria Harrison & Carrie Clifford

In this episode Gloria and Carrie talk about the social divide between them and attempts that were made at crossing that gap. produced by: Frankie Fulleda, Gloria Harrison & Carrie Clifford

In this episode, Gloria and Carrie begin to discuss Black Lives Matter. They break down what the movement means and what BLM has churned up for each of them. produced by: Frankie Fulleda, Gloria Harrison & Carrie Clifford music by: Alex Skolnick Trio  We have made donations to the following organizations in support on Black lives and equal justice under the law.

Gloria and Carrie met when Gloria was part of the METCO program which bussed black kids from Boston to schools in the suburbs. In this episode they discuss growing up in two different worlds, and how Gloria had to straddle both, without feeling at home in either. produced by: Carrie Clifford, Gloria Harrison & Frankie Fulleda music by: Alex Skolnick Trio special thanks to: Paddy Hirsch, Eileen Fogarty For more on the busing program in Boston, listen to NPR's piece about METCO: