In this episode, host Sarah Jones is joined by comedian, author, and “political provocateur” W. Kamau Bell to talk about the struggles and contradictions of living in America, especially as a Black man. “My joke is that whenever I think about am I going too far, the ghost of Harriet Tubman shows up and is like, Oh, is it hard to Tweet? Is it hard to Instagram?” Maybe it’s not, but how do we stay informed without going crazy? And how do we get involved while also, you know, leading our lives?

You can follow W. Kamau Bell on Instagram and get updates about his work at wkamaubell.com.

Follow "America, Who Hurt You?" on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube for more hope and encouragement throughout your week. This episode was executive-produced by Sarah Jones. Kennedy Hill is our producer and digital strategist. Our audio engineer is Peter Geiser. Thank you to Gina Delvac for production support.