Carl Lentz is back in the spotlight, and his comments on pastoral care and church size reveal something deeper about the megachurch system he came out of. This episode walks through the history of Hillsong, the rise and fall of Lentz, and a point-by-point biblical response to the claims he makes.

What does Scripture say about shepherds who know their sheep, discipleship in small churches, and the dangers of celebrity Christianity? Join us as we separate truth from trend and look at the fruit.