This week we're joined by relationship expert and Celebs Go Dating coach Anna Williamson. As Sam and Pete's former dating coach, we had to get the inside scoop on what they were really like behind the scenes, and Anna shares a few stories that Louise and Ryan may not have heard before.

The conversation then takes a more personal turn as Anna gives us some powerful techniques for reconnecting as a couple, leading to an honest discussion about therapy and relationships. For the first time, we open up about a recent reset in our own relationship, and Anna reminds us that every couple faces challenges and that asking for help is often the first step towards moving forward.

We also discuss why so many relationships struggle after having a baby, the biggest reasons people cheat, and why more people than ever are searching for deeper meaning and connection in their relationships.

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This week’s episode is a special Father’s Day edition, and one Ryan certainly wasn’t expecting. What begins as a conversation about fatherhood takes an emotional turn when a surprise message from his dad leaves him completely speechless, and the whole room fighting back tears.

Also, as Ryan becomes an uncle for the fifth time, he opens up about the complex reality of holding multiple emotions at once. While celebrating a joyful family milestone, he reflects on how moments like these can also stir memories and feelings from the past of their own difficulties with fertility. This leads to a thoughtful conversation about comparison, gratitude, and how two seemingly conflicting emotions can exist side by side.

And we also get into a little domestic debate as Louise enters her DIY era, sparking whether building work is a blue or pink job.

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This week, Louise and Ryan dive into the topic of argument styles and quickly discover they have very different views on how each other handles conflict. What starts as a conversation about communication soon turns into a debate of its own, with the retelling of one of their most recent disagreements...

They also discuss a recent BBC Panorama documentary on failures in maternity care that left a lasting impression on them both. The conversation prompts a deeply personal reflection on the trauma they've experienced individually, and the lasting impact those experiences continue to have on their lives and perspectives today.

Plus, they unpack the rise of the "tradwife" movement and question whether influencers such as Nara Smith are simply showcasing a lifestyle choice or promoting a narrative that risks undermining decades of progress for women. As the trend continues to gain popularity online, Louise and Ryan explore the messages the younger generation may be absorbing from the content they consume every day.

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This week, Louise reflects on the often-unspoken reality of rebuilding confidence in your body after motherhood, opening up about her journey back to exercise and the ways becoming a parent has changed her perspective on beauty, self-care and the messages young girls are absorbing from the modern skincare industry.

Ryan discusses why sport matters far beyond the game itself, particularly for men, and how major events like the World Cup can create powerful opportunities for connection, belonging and conversation.

Plus, a listener question about the best advice they've ever been given leads to one of their most honest discussions yet, as Louise shares the complex emotions she's experiencing while facing the possibility that her family may be complete.

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This week, Louise and Ryan dive into the conversation sparked by a viral Vogue article about a woman becoming a mother at 49 and calling it the most self-aware decision she’s ever made. It opens up a bigger discussion around the pressure to have children “on time”, and the realities of having kids later in life, from the unexpected benefits to the challenges no one really talks about. 

Then, with Rivals Season 2 back on our screens, they chat all things dinner parties… which leads Louise to revealing her time on Come Dine With Me alongside the rest of the MIC cast. So we do a live reaction to a clip of her time on there....

Plus, there’s an M&S sweet taste test, reactions to Venezuela Fury’s wedding choices and the wild things we'd choose on our own wedding day if there was zero judgement, and a listener dilemma about what we’d do if Leo covered the bedroom in make-up?!

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This week, Louise comes straight off the back of the BAFTAs with a very unexpected red carpet moment, bumping into someone from her past she hasn’t seen in over a decade....👀

Louise and Ryan then reflect on their individual moments with Leo over the weekend, and they share what they each learn from him. From the power of being silly, to slowing down and seeing the world through his eyes, they reflect on how much their son continues to teach them. Ryan also shares more on his weekly letters to Leo, and opens up about how a recent failure has shifted his perspective.

And finally, we get into a more serious conversation around the rise of the manosphere and voices like Clavicular, unpacking the world of looksmaxxing and the impact it’s having on teenage boys growing up online. We share our honest thoughts on the pressures, the damage, and what it means to raise children in the middle of it all.

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This week, Louise and Ryan head straight from egg retrieval into the podcast chairs, so there’s no better place to start than a real-time update on their fertility journey. What follows is a raw and incredibly honest conversation about how they’re both actually feeling through the process. Louise opens up about feeling unsupported at times, while Ryan shares how difficult he’s finding it to be the support system she needs while navigating his own emotions too.

We then move onto some of the hot topics in the news this week, from the controversies surrounding the Met Gala to the shocking statistic that 1 in 4 children are reportedly not potty trained by the time they start school… which leads to a bigger conversation about where the responsibility really lies.

And we end on a very sweet listener question from a dad wondering which public bathroom is most appropriate to take his young daughter into.

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This week’s episode is a deeply personal one for Ryan, as he opens up about the experience of watching his grandma live with dementia, and the impact it’s had on him. He shares why it’s something that truly scares him, and reflects on the complicated ways we process change, including his own feelings about wanting to hold onto someone as they once were.

We then get into the topic of sleepovers… when is the “right” age, will Leo be allowed, and what about adult ones? Louise and Ryan have very different views on what happens if Leo brings someone home in the future….

And with Louise deep in her reality TV era thanks to Temptation Island (we get Ryan’s very honest reaction to it), the conversation turns to reality shows more broadly… on whether they have any regrets about their Made in Chelsea days?

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Louise and Ryan head to UK Parliament to back the call for a maternity commissioner, with Louise sharing why this fight is so deeply personal. She opens up about her own experience of giving birth and the stark reality that care for women in the UK is still falling short, and why change shouldn’t have to come at the cost of tragedy.

Then it pivots. A weekend away sparks a story no one saw coming, with unexpected glimpse into Ryan’s past as butler in the buff 👀. There’s also a chat about The Fury’s and how their approach to parenting might hold up if Leo married young, or started to swear at them. 

And finally, a simple question: should you share your location with your partner? Ryan’s a hard no. Louise couldn’t disagree more….

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Louise has had a rare few days alone while Ryan and Leo headed off on their first father–son trip. Ryan reflects on what that one-on-one time meant to him, while Louise opens up about something many mums don’t say out loud: that she enjoyed the space, and why she refuses to feel guilt for needing time to herself.

That honesty leads into a bigger conversation. Inspired by Emma Grede describing herself as a “three-hour mum”, we unpack the pressure around modern motherhood. How much time is “enough” with your kids, what’s expectation versus reality, and how our own experiences shape the kind of parents we want to be.

We also share a major surrogacy update. It’s a big step forward, and one that brings a mix of hope, nerves, and the weight of everything starting to feel very real. And to close, we answer a listener question about how we navigated our darkest moments together and what it really took to come out the other side.

00:00 Introduction

01:50 Our double date weekend away

03:26 Our driving habits

07:22 Sam forgot to book a hotel room!

15:32 Ryan first trip alone with Leo

19:48 Ryan's Vision of Fatherhood

28:28 Louise's Solo Time away from Leo

34:03 No Mum Guilt in Taking Time Off

37:39 Emma Grede ‘Three Hour Mom’ Controversy

41:34 Sacrifices and Adaptability in Parenting

43:43 Our BIG Surrogacy Update

52:37 Listener Question: Keeping the Spark Alive Through Trauma

58:51 See you next week!

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