ATTENTION: If you’re not interested in narcissism and celebrity, you can skip to the 31:00 minute mark on this video playback. You can subscribe to my Substack, ‘Healing the Scapegoat Wound’ at https://familyscapegoathealing.substack.com to be notified of my next livestream in your inbox. (Paid subscribers are able to participate in a private Live Chat during the Stream).

A sincere thanks to everyone who tuned into yesterday’s live video with Dr Simon Rogoff and our special guest, Dr. Aun Ali, MBBS! We had a great subscriber turnout and we appreciated your questions and your participation.

Correction: Elvis’s still-born twin’s name was Jesse Garon Presley (I thought it was Aaron).

What We Discussed: This was my first interview with Dr. Rogoff, author of Narcissism, Trauma and Celebrity here on Substack.

The first half hour or so I invited him to share a bit about his professional background as a clinical Psychologist running a Complex Trauma treatment program in the United Kingdom for the National Health Service.

We then explored a few celebrity case studies, looking at how narcissistic abuse and family scapegoating abuse might lead a child to pursue a career in the performing arts.

At the 20:00 minute mark, we then took a ‘deep dive’ into narcissism as a strategy and Complex Trauma (C-PTSD) and Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) - the latter being a term that Dr. Rogoff would like to see done away with (and I whole-heartedly agree with him), which we discuss beginning at the 43:00 minute mark.

I jumped in on occasion to integrate Family Scapegoating Abuse (FSA) concepts within the discussion. (And no, I was not trying to look like a pirate - In all my rushing around yesterday morning I forgot to put on my other earring!!)

Dr. Aun Ali, MBBS then joined us on camera at the 55:00 minute mark to share his personal experience of being misdiagnosed with BPD and an engaging discussion ensued between Dr. Ali and Dr. Rogoff and my paid subscriber community, who were able to engage with us via the private Live Chat feature.

Check out the SAMHSA website to read about Trauma-Informed Care principles as discussed at the 1:08:00 minute mark at https://opentextbc.ca/peersupport/chapter/samhsas-six-principles-of-trauma-informed-care/

I’m looking forward to hosting both Dr. Rogoff and Dr. Ali again soon. If you have questions for them or me, just put them in the comments here and I’ll do my best to ask them in our next collaborative Livestream.

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World renowned Family System expert, Rebecca C. Mandeville (author of Rejected, Shamed, and Blamed: Help and Hope for Adults in the Family Scapegoat Role), explores trauma, dissociation (including Dissociative Identity Disorder / DID), and recovering from Family Scapegoating Abuse (FSA) and its effects with her guest, Dr. Aun Ali, who offers his unique perspective on healing via his experience as a trained Medical Doctor and FSA and Trauma survivor.

SAVE THE DATE: Our next private (paid) Community Livestream will be Friday, June 20, 2025, at 11 am PDT. I’ll be inviting members to come on camera with me to do some role-playing. The Livestream will ONLY be sent to paid subscribers - it will not be public. Think of a challenging conversation you’ve had in the past or plan to have in the future relating to FSA dynamics and I’ll pretend I’m you and answer and/or the community can offer suggestions or share their experiences.

Visit Rebecca's Substack, Healing the Scapegoat Wound: FSA Education Support Community

Visit Dr. Ali's Substack, Elephant in the Mirror

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Livestream with Rebecca C. Mandeville, LMFT, CCTP. Rebecca answers questions from subscribers on the insidious systemic phenomenon she named Family Scapegoating Abuse (FSA) via her original Family Systems research.

Podcast listeners: Prefer to watch the video instead? Visit my Substack to watch - subscribing is free! https://familyscapegoathealing.substack.com/p/family-scapegoat-education-rebecca-mandeville

Learn more about FSA by visiting Rebecca’s clinical website, Family Scapegoating Abuse (FSA) Education, at https://www.scapegoatrecovery.com.

LIVESTREAM CONTENT: Rebecca answers questions from subscribers on the insidious systemic phenomenon she named Family Scapegoating Abuse (FSA) via her original Family Systems research. Questions answered: 1) What is the relationship between FSA and under-achieving or over-achieving? 2) Why don't people 'get' scapegoating when you try to tell them about it? Mother's Day and what this can bring up for FSA survivors is also briefly discussed at the end of the livestream

CORRECTION: The research study I mention in this video was led by Dr. Kartheek Balapala (not Patel - I have a friend named Kartheek Patel and said the wrong name out of habit). My apologies to Dr. Balapala. Dr. Mandy Sizalobuhle Mpofu is the third co-author on this study, which you can access here. https://oapub.org/hlt/index.php/EJPHS/article/view/202/202

SAVE THE DATE: I’ll be interviewed by Elle Boone here on my Substack on Friday, May 23rd, at 12 pm PDT. We’ll do a deep dive into my FSA research and my introductory book on FSA, Rejected, Shamed, and Blamed.

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Thank you to all of you who joined my livestream today. And a special thank you to my paid subscriber community, your participation in my Livestreams is deeply appreciated (and enjoyed!) Join me for my next live video in the app. Upgrade your subscription to participate in our Livestream Chats and to join me on camera to ask a question!

Looking forward to future livestream collaborations with Elle Boone, Aun Ali, MBBS, Dr Simon Rogoff, Melanie Ess, Kathy Parker, Miranda Egan - and many others!

I covered a lot of ground as I answered a total of 12 questions from free and paid subscribers, including a ‘deep dive’ into the pathological Family Projective Identification Process - a frequently overlooked and/or misunderstood aspect of Family Scapegoating Abuse (FSA).

I’d like to extend a heartfelt “Thank you” to all of my paid subscribers who participated in our live Chat yesterday while I streamed; your presence and input was appreciated.

I’d also like to thank my free subscribers and any followers who submitted questions and/or watched my livestream yesterday. And a special note of thanks to the wonderful Kelly Thompson TNWWY, who graciously agreed to jump on camera near the end of the livestream to help answer a question posed by one of our new paid subscribers regarding scapegoating and religious / spiritual abuse.

I’ll be soliciting more questions about FSA soon. Join me for my next live video in the app (you can ‘get the app’, below). You can also join from your browser, but only paid subscribers using the mobile app have the ability to come “on stage” with me (go on camera) during my livestreams.

Thanks to all those who tuned into my live stream today. I appreciated the thoughtful questions and the insightful discussions on camera with my colleagues Kelly Thompson and Elle Boone toward the last quarter of the video.

Kelly and I talked about 12-Step programs and FSA Recovery, as well as the illusion of brokenness and stepping into our innate Wholeness. Elle asked a great question: How do we begin to dis-identify from the ‘scapegoat narrative’ and begin to live as our true self? - which I answered at length.