It’s no secret that the health care for millions of Americans isn’t working, with many in dire need of immediate action.

The demand for bipartisan solutions, new policies, and technological advancements for the health care system has never been greater.

Our guest, Natalie Davis, co-founder and CEO of United States of Care, joins us to share her thoughts on the current state of health care, AI’s growing role in it, and how she’s advocating for policy changes that could shape the future of health. 

TOPICS

(0:16) Intro

(1:07) How Natalie Davis Got Started in Health Care

(3:25) The Origins of United States of Care

(8:00) Where Can We Find Common Ground in Health Care?

(14:34) Where Do Policymakers Stand on Medicare for All?

(19:00) Are People Paying Attention to Health Care in This Election?

(21:08) Is United States of Care an Advocacy Organization?

(21:54) United States of Care's Biggest Policy Wins

(23:17) How AI Relates to Health Care Advocacy

(25:25) How Do Patients Feel About AI?

(30:57) The Current State of Value-Based Care

(39:38) The Complicated Nature of Universal Health Care

🎙 ABOUT HEALTH CARE ROUNDS

Health Care Rounds is a weekly podcast developed for health care leaders who are at the forefront of health care delivery and payment reform. Join Darwin Research Group founder and CEO John Marchica as he discusses the latest advancements in health care business news and policy developments.  

🎙ABOUT NATALIE DAVIS

Natalie Davis has spent nearly two decades shaping American healthcare policy, working to ensure that all people have access to affordable, quality care. In 2018, she co-founded United States of Care with Andy Slavitt, focusing on a person-centered approach to healthcare solutions and forging partnerships with organizations, advocacy groups, and communities to drive systemic change.

Her prior roles include serving as Senior Advisor at CMS, where she supported a major healthcare expansion, and as Director at the Bipartisan Policy Center, launching reform initiatives to develop innovative, politically viable healthcare solutions.

🎙ABOUT UNITED STATES OF CARE

United States of Care is a non-profit organization focused on building a healthcare system that serves everyone. Their mission is to ensure people have access to affordable, quality care that meets their needs regardless of their background or circumstances. Working with leaders, communities, and individuals across the country, they focus on developing innovative, non-partisan solutions to healthcare challenges, emphasizing policy, patient experience, and health equity.

🎙 ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS:

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow.

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

Fact: 80 percent of cancer patients face significant side effects throughout their treatment, potentially worsening outcomes and making a difficult journey even more challenging for patients fighting for their lives.

In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Erika Ebbel Angle, CEO of Ixcela, to discuss her personalized approach to improving cancer patient treatment outcomes by prioritizing gut health, nutritional therapy, and lifestyle adjustments.

🎙 ABOUT HEALTH CARE ROUNDS

Health Care Rounds is a weekly podcast developed for health care leaders who are at the forefront of health care delivery and payment reform. Join Darwin Research Group founder and CEO John Marchica as he discusses the latest advancements in health care business news and policy developments.  

🎙 ABOUT ERIKA EBBEL ANGLE

Dr. Erika Ebbel Angle, CEO and co-founder of Ixcela, earned her Ph.D. in Biochemistry from Boston University and a B.S. from MIT. In 2002, she founded Science from Scientists, a nonprofit improving STEM education for children. She has received numerous accolades, including Boston University’s Young Alumni Award, Boston Business Journal's 40 Under 40, and L’Oreal’s Woman of Worth. She serves on MIT’s visiting committee and is a STEM speaker for the U.S. Department of State, also hosting educational TV shows for kids.

🎙 ABOUT IXCELA

Ixcela is a health company focused on restoring internal balance and improving gut microbiome health. Using a simple pinprick blood test, Ixcela analyzes key small-molecule metabolites linked to gut health, identifying imbalances that may lead to chronic conditions like Alzheimer's, diabetes, and digestive issues. Their personalized approach includes proprietary supplements, nutrition, and fitness plans to restore optimal health. Co-founded by Dr. Erika Ebbel Angle and Dr. Wayne Matson, Ixcela combines cutting-edge technology with individualized therapy to support better overall wellness through gut microbiome regulation.

🎙 ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS:

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow.

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

Tackling rising healthcare costs while improving quality is no small task, and many states are left struggling.

But one state might have the solution.

In this episode, we explore Maryland’s All-Payer system with Dr. Trudy Hall, Vice President of Medical Affairs and Chief Medical Officer at TidalHealth, discussing how this innovative approach is changing the game by streamlining healthcare costs while keeping patient care at the forefront.

🎙 ABOUT DR. TRUDY HALL

Dr. Trudy R. Hall has been the Vice President of Medical Affairs and Chief Medical Officer at TidalHealth since July 2022. She previously served in leadership roles at the University of Maryland's Capital Region Health and other UM health centers, overseeing major facilities, including a 345-bed COVID care site during the pandemic. With over 20 years of healthcare leadership experience, Dr. Hall has held various medical directorships, contributed to Maryland's health policy, and led initiatives like the Quality-Based Reimbursement program. She is board-certified in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.

🎙 ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS:

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow.

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

While demand for specialty care has never been higher, this demand hasn't resulted in better coordination among PCPs.

Can value-based care bridge the gap? Our guest Dr. Kamal Golla thinks so.

In this episode explore the importance of value-based care and how it can create exceptional patient experiences and better outcomes.

🎙 ABOUT DR VISHNUKAMAL GOLLA

Dr. Vishnukamal Golla is the medical director for value transformation at Evolent, a specialty and primary care management company. In this role, Dr. Golla leads the implementation of innovative value-based care models in specialty care. In helping Evolent manage approximately $1 billion of risk-based oncology and cardiology spend, Dr. Golla oversees the development of alternative payment models, prioritizing exceptional patient outcomes through innovative strategies and cost-effective treatment pathways.  

Dr. Golla’s research interests include the development and integration of value-based care models, methods of supporting healthcare transformation initiatives at both the state and national level, and the impact of financial toxicity in vulnerable patient populations and caregivers. Past research includes the development of business and policy recommendations to improve specialist engagement with primary care physicians, including design of the specialty strategy for the recently released CMS Innovation Center model called Making Care Primary. Dr. Golla has served as a consultant for the Healthcare Transformation Task force and is also a frequent speaker at value-based care conferences such as the Association for Value-Based Cancer Care to help drive policy recommendations on alternative payment models and specialty alignment.  

Dr. Golla received his medical degree and Master of Public Health from the University of Texas Medical School and completed his urologic surgery residency at the University of California, Los Angeles. He completed an advanced fellowship in the Duke University National Clinician Scholars Program, one of the premier health services research and public policy programs in the country. He is also a board-certified and practicing urologist with a deep expertise in urologic oncology, integrating evidence-based practices with value-based care in order to improve care accessibility and quality for all. Dr. Golla maintains a faculty appointment at the Duke University School of Medicine and the Duke Margolis Center for Health Policy.

🎙 ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS:

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow.

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

Join us as we delve into the groundbreaking world of cellular therapies with Dr. Robert Hariri, CEO of Celularity.

In this episode, Dr. Hariri takes us on a journey through the cutting-edge innovations that are reshaping the future of medicine.

Discover how harnessing the power of the body’s own cells is not just a promise for the future, but a reality today—transforming hope into tangible results across a wide spectrum of diseases. Don’t miss this insightful conversation on the therapies that are revolutionizing healthcare.

🎙ABOUT DR. ROBERT HARIRI: 

Dr. Bob Hariri is a pioneering surgeon, biomedical scientist, and serial entrepreneur with expertise in biomedicine and aerospace. He is the founder, chairperson, and CEO of Celularity, Inc., a leader in human cellular therapeutics, and previously founded Anthrogenesis Corporation, which was acquired by Celgene, where he served as CEO of Celgene Cellular Therapeutics.

 He also co-founded Human Longevity, Inc. Dr. Hariri is renowned for pioneering the use of stem cells in treating life-threatening diseases, including the discovery of pluripotent stem cells from the human placenta. His innovations have led to over 170 patents and numerous accolades, including the Pontifical Medal for Innovation and the Thomas Alva Edison Award. 

He is an Adjunct Professor of Neurosurgery at Weill Cornell Medical College and serves on various prestigious boards, including the Liberty Science Center and the X PRIZE Foundation. Beyond his medical and scientific contributions, Dr. Hariri is an accomplished jet-rated pilot and film producer. 

🎙 ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS: 

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow.

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

Ambulatory Surgery Centers (ASC) specialize in providing surgical, diagnostic, and preventive procedures without lengthy and costly hospital stays.

As the demand for convenient, accessible, and affordable care grows, ASCs have become an increasingly popular alternative.

Joins us as Aric Burke, President and CEO of Atlas Healthcare Partners explores ASCs' role in everything from lowering out-of-pocket expenses and reducing the surgical burden on hospitals to expanding care access and creating jobs.

ABOUT ARIC BURKE 

Aric brings over eighteen years of experience in ASC consulting, development, and operations. He oversees the strategic vision, operational management, and organizational structure of Atlas, driving its profitability and strategic direction. Before founding Atlas, Aric was the West Market President for United Surgical Partners International (USPI), the leading ASC management company in the industry. In this role, he managed the development and operations across USPI’s Western markets. 

During his five-year tenure, Aric expanded the West Market to include over 30 ASCs and three surgical hospitals, which collectively handled more than 150,000 cases annually and generated over $450M in net revenue and $90M in EBITDA, employing over 2,500 staff. He also collaborated with major not-for-profit health systems, such as Dignity Health in Phoenix and Las Vegas, Centura Health in Denver, and Carondelet Health in Tucson, to develop their ASC networks. 

ABOUT ATLAS HEALTHCARE PARTNERS 

Founded in 2018 to address the rising need for ASC strategy and development in the nonprofit sector, Atlas has rapidly become one of the fastest-growing ASC management companies in the U.S. They were recognized on the Inc. 5000 list of Fastest Growing Private Companies in 2022 and 2023. Since partnering with Banner Health in 2019 to develop and manage its ASC operations, we have expanded to 32 ASCs, employing over 1,100 team members and handling 250,000 cases annually. Leading health systems have invested in Atlas, offering a chance to diversify revenue models beyond traditional regional care. 

With an estimated $90 billion expected to shift from inpatient and HOPD to the ASC market by the end of 2024, they provide the infrastructure and expertise necessary to develop, manage, and scale ASC networks to capitalize on this significant industry shift. 

ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS 

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow. 
 

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

In this episode of Health Care Rounds, Matt Portch, Consultant at MPC&R LLC, joins host John Marchica to explore the evolving collaboration between pharmaceutical companies and Integrated Delivery Networks (IDNs).

Additionally, Matt sheds light on how both have adapted to new technologies and market shifts.

Matt is a seasoned pharmaceutical executive with successful leadership experience at Sunovion Pharmaceuticals, Pfizer, and Bristol Myers Squibb.

ABOUT HEALTH CARE ROUNDS

Health Care Rounds is a weekly podcast developed for health care leaders who are at the forefront of health care delivery and payment reform. Join Darwin Research Group founder and CEO John Marchica as he discusses the latest advancements in health care business news and policy developments. 

ABOUT MATT PORTCH

Matt Portch is a seasoned professional in the life sciences sector, currently serving as an independent consultant specializing in supporting clients within the industry. With a focus on fostering B2B relationships with Organized Customers and Payers, Matt collaborates closely with market and portfolio teams to bolster Key Account Management capabilities.

Prior to his consultancy role, Matt held notable leadership positions at renowned pharmaceutical companies including Sunovion Pharmaceuticals, Pfizer, and Bristol Myers Squibb. His tenure in these organizations provided him with extensive experience in strategic management, business development, and enhancing operational efficiency within the life sciences domain.

ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow.

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

Having equal access to quality health care across the United States shouldn't be a privilege, but a reality. Yet, seniors battling multiple chronic conditions often face disparities. The challenges are significant, from struggling to reach appointments to affording basic needs.

Enter Accountable Care Organizations (ACOs).  Are they the answer to improving coordinated care and reducing costs for seniors?

In this episode of Health Care Rounds, Bill Lane joins John to explore how Accountable Care Organizations (ACOs) are transforming health care delivery, particularly for seniors.

ABOUT HEALTH CARE ROUNDS 

Health Care Rounds is a weekly podcast developed for health care leaders who are at the forefront of health care delivery and payment reform. Join Darwin Research Group founder and CEO John Marchica as he discusses the latest advancements in healthcare business news and policy developments. 

ABOUT BILL LANE 

Bill is ilumed’s Executive Vice President of Network Development, leading the ACO REACH’s contracted provider and beneficiary growth over 200% from 2022 to 2024. Prior to ilumed, he spent over 15 years with Humana and held leadership roles in hospital/hospital system contracting, alternative payment model creation and deployment, including the nationwide lead for Humana’s adoption of CMS’ Primary Care First model. Before Humana, Bill was with the national PPO, MultiPlan for over ten years, where he held progressively responsible network leadership roles in the southeast. 

Bill and his wife of 32 years, Kathy, live in south Florida, where he enjoys golf most of the time and looks forward to welcoming his three grown children home as much as possible.

ABOUT JOHN MARCHICA, HOST OF HEALTH CARE ROUNDS 

John Marchica is a veteran health care strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving health care ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Health care Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow. 
 

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

We have all been exposed to some form of AI, but how is it positioned to enhance the future of medicine? In this episode of Health Care Rounds, Dr. Robert Pearl joins John to delve into the exciting potential of AI, particularly large language models, to revolutionize medicine, healthcare access, analysis, and treatment.

Topics:

(2:12) Dr. Pearl’s initial experience with Chat GPT

(4:17) The potential benefits of AI and medical information for patients 

(9:43) What makes large language models different when it comes to analyzing clinical data?

(13:30) What are the potential dangers of AI in healthcare? 

(24:21) Use cases and current limitations of generative AI

(27:22) What other use cases will generative AI bring in future state? 

About Health Care Rounds

Health Care Rounds is a weekly podcast developed for healthcare leaders who are at the forefront of healthcare delivery and payment reform. Join Darwin Research Group founder and CEO John Marchica as he discusses the latest advancements in healthcare business news and policy developments. 

About Dr. Robert Pearl

Dr. Robert Pearl, former CEO of The Permanente Medical Group (Kaiser Permanente), led a team of 12,000 physicians and 43,000 staff, overseeing healthcare for over 5 million members. Recognized as one of Modern Healthcare’s influential leaders, Dr. Pearl advocates for integrated, prepaid, and technologically advanced healthcare. He holds positions at Stanford University School of Medicine and Stanford Graduate School of Business, teaching strategy, leadership, and healthcare policy. Dr. Pearl authored bestsellers like "Mistreated" and "Uncaring," and his forthcoming book explores AI's role in healthcare.

A prominent figure, Dr. Pearl hosts podcasts, writes newsletters, and contributes to Forbes. He's appeared on major media outlets and spoken at healthcare conferences worldwide. Board-certified in plastic surgery, he earned his medical degree from Yale and completed residency at Stanford. Dr. Pearl chaired the Council of Accountable Physician Practices and contributed to healthcare reform efforts in Washington, D.C.

About John Marchica, Host of Health Care Rounds

John Marchica is a veteran healthcare strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving healthcare ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow. 

Enjoyed this episode? You might also like "An Honest Conversation on the State of Current Medicine with Dr. Robert Pearl"

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media

Topics:

(11:00) Pharmacy benefit management basics

(15:28) Rebates and pricing benchmarks

(18:34) Blue Shield of California’s pharmacy care reimagined initiative

(21:25) Capturing real-world evidence to asses new medications

(23:52) Transforming the pharmacy benefits industry with partnerships and alliances

(29:32) Baseline drug prices and innovative contracting approaches

(33:52) Shifting to a value-based model to make drug pricing more cost-effective

(37:13) The need for systemic change and holistic health in the pharmacy benefit industry 

About Health Care Rounds

Health Care Rounds is a podcast developed for health care leaders who are at the forefront of health care delivery and payment reform. Join Darwin Research Group founder and CEO John Marchica as he discusses the latest advancements in health care business news and policy developments. 

About Alison Lum

As Blue Shield Vice President, Pharmacy Services, Alison Lum leads the team that is transforming the Blue Shield pharmacy benefit into one that is worthy of our family and friends and sustainably affordable. At Blue Shield, she has taken an active role in employee engagement, management training, and leadership development. Prior to joining Blue Shield, Alison was the Director of Clinical Services at a managed Medicaid plan,

San Francisco Health Plan, where she was responsible for pharmacy benefits, utilization/case management, and provider relations. 

Alison also has experience in Medicare Part D, PACE programs, and account management. She holds a doctorate of pharmacy degree from the University of California, San Francisco, and completed the California Healthcare Foundation Leadership Fellowship. Alison participated on the California Pharmacist Association state-wide task force for SB493 payment models and was a keynote speaker on the topic at the 2015 West Coast Pharmacy Exchange. She was honored with the Blue Shield Team Mission and Values in Action awards for 2016 and 2013 and the inaugural San Francisco Health Plan’s first Here For You award in 2008.

About John Marchica, Host of Health Care Rounds

John Marchica is a veteran healthcare strategist and CEO of Darwin Research Group, a strategic consulting and market intelligence firm focused on hospitals, health systems, physician groups, and the evolving healthcare ecosystem. John has a degree in economics from Knox College, an MBA and M.A. in public policy from the University of Chicago, and completed his Ph.D. coursework at The Dartmouth Institute. He is an active member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and is pursuing certification as a Fellow. 

 CONNECT WITH US:

🌐 Visit us on the web

 🌐 Follow Health Care Rounds on LinkedIn

 🌐 Follow Darwin Research Group on LinkedIn

📺 Watch Health Care Rounds on YouTube

🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts

🎧 Listen on Spotify

⚙️ Health Care Rounds is produced by Grippi Media