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Will the Supreme Court Protect Doctors’ Free Speech? Khatibi v. Hawkins | California AB 241, Compelled Speech & CME

Science or ideology? California says it can force physicians to teach implicit bias at every continuing medical education (CME) course. Dr. Khatibi speaks with attorney Caleb Trotter of Pacific Legal Foundation to explore how their case up for consideration by the Supreme Court is about far more than one training mandate. If CME becomes “government speech,” states could dictate what doctors must say on any controversial topic. In this episode of WITHIN:

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Caleb Trotter is a senior attorney at Pacific Legal Foundation, where he litigates on behalf of individuals and small businesses fighting for their constitutional rights to free speech, economic liberty, and equal protection under the law. Prior to PLF, Caleb clerked for the Institute for Justice and externed for the public defender’s office in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana. Before starting his legal career, he worked in real estate, banking, and investments. Upon witnessing government screw-ups at every level following Hurricane Katrina, and due to absorbing the laissez-faire culture of New Orleans over many years, Caleb came to see the importance of individualism to human flourishing. Caleb attended law school at Loyola University New Orleans, where he graduated cum laude and served as a member of the Loyola Law Review and moot court program. He also earned a BSM in finance and legal studies in business at Tulane University. He lives in Sacramento with his wife, Ashlee, and cat, Frank. 

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction to the case and its significance

01:36 Caleb Trotter explains the legal challenge to AB 241

04:47 Broadness of the law and instructor discretion

07:35 Practical implications for CME teaching and medical practice

09:14 Unconstitutional conditions and the right to teach

11:25 CME as private versus government speech

14:27 Judicial participation in CME and the government speech doctrine

16:55 Analogy between CME and public school teaching

20:32 Enmeshment of CME with corporate interests

24:03 Implications of government speech and free speech rights

28:49 Potential for a cascade of state laws and the importance of Supreme Court intervention

33:23 The importance of judicial opinions and circuit splits

37:52 The risk of government overreach in professional education

43:50 The process of Supreme Court review and potential outcomes

48:15 The broader implications for free speech and government regulation

54:03 The importance of vigilance and advocacy in free speech cases

01:01:17 Caleb Trotter's other free speech cases and motivations

01:09:49 Personal motivations and the impact of Hurricane Katrina

01:14:01 Support and advocacy for the case and future legal battles

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Three California moms — Darrlene Alquiza, Kris Dukes, and Jessica Cabrera of Informed Policy Advocates (IPA) — reveal how SB 277 and SB 276 stripped parents of medical choice and gave the California Department of Public Health final say over vaccine exemptions and school enrollment. In this powerful episode with Dr. Azadeh Khatibi, they share their personal stories of vaccine injury, lost medical exemptions, homeschooling battles, and the chilling effect on doctors who fear being flagged or investigated for writing exemptions, plus what they are doing about it in Sacramento. They break down the challenges faced by families:

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CHAPTER LIST

00:00 Introduction to Advocacy for Parental Choice

01:31 Personal Stories and Motivations Behind Advocacy

03:33 Formation of Informed Policy Advocates

05:55 Achievements and Legislative Efforts

08:32 Challenges Faced by Families and Physicians

10:51 Current Policies and Their Impact

13:43 Grassroots Concerns and Advocacy Strategies

16:57 The Chilling Effect on Medical Exemptions

19:05 Legislative Changes and Their Impact

22:01 The Role of Medical Boards and Exemptions

24:28 The Appeals Process and Communication Gaps

26:01 Transparency Issues in Vaccine Policies

29:17 Advocacy for Informational Hearings

31:49 Building Relationships with Legislators

36:43 Changing Attitudes in Legislative Conversations

41:43 The Importance of Representation and Advocacy

44:48 Addressing Implicit Bias in Healthcare

46:07 Legislative Changes and Parental Rights

49:54 The Role of Lobbying in Advocacy

51:28 Countering Opposition and Funding Challenges

54:56 Cohesion Among Advocacy Groups

01:00:24 Faith and Purpose in Advocacy

In this powerful episode recorded spring 2024, Dr. Azadeh Khatibi sits down with her lead counsel Jenin Younes and co-plaintiff Dr. Aaron Kheriaty to break down their landmark lawsuit against California’s AB 2098 COVID "misinformation" law.

They reveal how the state tried to punish doctors for deviating from “contemporary scientific consensus,” why so many doctors stayed quiet, why the law was unconstitutionally vague, and how a preliminary injunction forced the legislature to repeal it. 

Key topics include:

This is Part 1 of a deep conversation on defending constitutional rights in medicine.

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction & Overview

01:41 – What AB 2098 Actually Did

07:09 – Preliminary Injunction & Mootness Ruling

09:32 – Seeking Attorney’s Fees (Supreme Court Case Update)

11:35 – Scientific Consensus vs. Free Speech in Medicine

20:02 – Advocating for Yourself as a Doctor

21:48 – Standing Up & Pushing Back Against Government Control

24:39 – Understanding the Real Standard of Care

28:38 – Challenging Consensus & Historical Lessons

31:35 – The Erosion of Free Speech for Doctors

Note: This conversation was filmed in 2024 but it’s incredibly relevant and contains important about medicine, history and ethics.

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What did pandemic school closures really do to children? This powerful conversation about truth, memory, and the lasting effects of pandemic decisions on children reveals the hidden impact most people still aren’t talking about.

Filmmaker Natalya Murakhver discusses her documentary 15 Days exposing the real causes of the COVID-19 school closures and its impact on children, families, and education. A powerful conversation on truth, policy, and protecting the next generation, and how to do that by supporting this film.

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction to Natalia Murakhver and Her Film

02:40 The Urgency of Documenting Pandemic Experiences

05:17 Personal Stories and Historical Context

07:55 The Impact of COVID-19 on Children

10:47 The Role of Advocacy and Legal Action

13:13 The Importance of Telling Our Stories

15:50 Navigating the Pandemic as a Family

18:44 The Role of Education During Lockdowns

21:18 Creating a Digital Archive of Experiences

24:16 Future Plans and Call to Action

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Dr. Azadeh Khatibi reflects on the significance of Women's Day, exploring women's unique strengths and the challenges they face in society. She discusses the need for women to embrace their femininity while navigating predominantly masculine systems, the impact of work on family dynamics, and the importance of honoring women's biological cycles. Dr. Khatibi also highlights the role women play in supporting existing power structures and calls for a deeper understanding of the complexities of womanhood.

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In this episode, Dr. Azadeh Khatibi delves into the contentious issue of fluoride in drinking water, exploring its historical context, health benefits and risks, effects and implications, and alternatives. She discusses the origins of water fluoridation and tap water safety, the scientific studies supporting its use, and the public health controversy and growing concerns about its safety and toxicity, especially neurotoxic effects. Dr. Khatibi advocates for a more individualized approach to dental health, tooth decay and cavity prevention, emphasizing the need for further research and the consideration of alternatives. The conversation culminates in a call for a reevaluation of public health policies regarding fluoride, and for your best health.

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Dr. Azadeh Khatibi discusses the impact of the recent fires in Los Angeles, focusing on health tips for protecting the eyes, nose, and ears from chemical irritants and pollutants and discussing anatomy to make it clear. She emphasizes the importance of proactive measures, such as using eye drops, nasal lavage, and wearing protective gear. The conversation ends with a relaxation exercise and intention-setting and visualization to help manage stress and promote wellness in mind and body during these challenging fires.

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Dr. Azadeh Khatibi shares her personal journey from her early life in Iran through her education and career as a physician scientist, filmmaker, and advocate. She discusses the challenges she faced, including health issues and her advocacy during the COVID pandemic, emphasizing the importance of emotional intelligence, community, and personal growth.

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Welcome to Within, the podcast where Dr. Azadeh Khatibi—a board-certified physician, activist, filmmaker, actor, and conscious wellness mentor—delves into the critical issues shaping our lives today. In each episode, she and you will explore topics that impact your health, happiness, and overall well-being, providing you with insights and tools to lead a thriving life.

Explore critical issues with deep, unfiltered discussions on health, medicine, societal structures, politics, and the systems that influence our daily lives. Becoming personally empowered by learning how these issues connect back to you, and get ideas and strategies to empower your personal health journey. And build a mindfulness foundation by gaining practical tips on integrating it and healthy mental practices into your daily routine to enhance mental and physical well-being.

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