Julia goes head-to-head with Benjamin Butterworth in a fiery clash over two explosive stories: Shabana Mahmood’s brutal asylum crackdown: 20-year wait for settlement, forced returns and slashed support for failed claimants. Tough love or betrayal of Labour values? The two-child benefit cap: with Rachel Reeves set to scrap it next week, Julia and Ben lock horns in a blistering row over poverty, fairness and who pays the £3bn bill. Expect shouting, interruptions and zero filter. The most heated 30 minutes of the day.

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