On this special edition of The Soul of the Nation, Rev Jim Wallis revisits his conversation with Heather McGhee

Author of the New York Times bestselling book, The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together, Heather McGhee speaks with Rev. Jim Wallis on the impacts racism has on our economy, changing the narrative, she says, goes hand in hand with comprehensive policy.

"There's this sense of stinginess, miserliness that nothing about our people are worth investing in unless they're already rich," McGhee says. "And that belief right and a hierarchy of human value is so racialized."

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