Josiah is joined by Jason Kirk (@jasonkirk_fyi, Shutdown Fullcast, VBS Podcast) to discuss his novel, Hell is a World Without You, as well as growing up evangelical, the world of Christian alternative music, and the good news of universalism.

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Audio & visual credits

• Thumbnail from this article: "'Hell is a World Without You' is a Vortex of 2000s Youth Group Emotions," Tyler Huckabee in Sojourners, https://sojo.net/articles/hell-world-without-you-vortex-2000s-youth-group-emotions
• Sentimental - Dan Darmawan
• Yesterday – bloom.
• In My Dreams – bloom.