Both/And with Paul Mann

Hello Again, Old Friend (Ep. 4)


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Tara Phillips is a dear, old friend. This conversation was really fun (it’s also about twice the length of the others)! Tara was instrumental in the development of my racial identity and I brought her on for this rollicking (yeah I said rollicking) conversation about, well, lots of things. Mostly race, equity, and whiteness… This episode is a bit of a recap of the others, but it’s also a great place to start :)
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Both/And with Paul MannBy Paul Mann