Here's What I've Heard

Three months after Tommy's divorce was finalized, the man who killed the Klines wound up dead. He left behind countless victims—not just the four killed in 1965 on the Avenal Cutoff, but the families that were torn apart and the people he abused.

In the Season One finale, we explore the circumstances around Tommy Kaylor's death—and the ongoing aftermath of his choices.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

Tommy Kaylor's sister says he was a good man and a great father. His ex-wife, however, tells a different story.

In Episode 8, we'll hear more from the people around Tommy, explore the charges against him, and discover what happened when it was up to a judge to decide just what kind of person Tommy Kaylor really was.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

For decades, the Kline family thought there was only one man in the southbound car that killed Jerry, Linda, and Robin. As it turns out, there were three.

In this episode, we'll introduce you to the Tommy Kaylor and his friends: Jimmie Hamilton and Larry Jones.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

While at the Milton Hershey School, Jerry and Paul were split into different houses, with administrators often blaming Paul for any slip in Jerry's grades. Paul was small and ornery, which often got him into trouble with both students and adults.

Eventually, Paul was given a choice: Shape up or leave. So, as a seventh-grader, Paul was forced to make a decision that he would come to regret for the rest of his life.

A warning: This episode contains descriptions of abuse that may not be suitable for some listeners.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

After a hard-fought battle on many sides, the custody dispute was settled by a judge—Jerry and Paul would attend the Milton Hershey School in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

Started in 1910 by Milton S. Hershey as an industrial school for orphaned boys, the school was meant to be a safe haven. But while some boys thrived, others floundered—and sometimes for reasons outside of their control. What would the outcome be for Jerry and Paul?

A warning: This episode contains descriptions of abuse that may not be suitable for some listeners.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

With their parents and sister gone, Jerry and Paul Kline were alone in California—across the country from the rest of their family. They needed new guardians, and with eight adult aunts and uncles, plus two sets of grandparents, it seemed they'd be in good hands once they reached Pennsylvania.

But somehow, Jerry and Paul did not end up living with their family. In fact, for the majority of their childhood, they didn't live it anyone's family. In this episode, we'll explore the custody arrangement that caused the boys so much pain, even decades after it was all said and done.

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Our featured organization this week is EndDD.org. To learn more about their programs, visit their website. Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

Like Jerry, Linda grew up in a big, chaotic family. She had five brothers, and some of them just couldn't seem to stay out of trouble. But Linda was the star of the family, and her death brought a cloak of sadness down upon them.

In Episode Three of Here's What I've Heard, we dive into Linda's childhood and the events that preceded her departure from Pennsylvania and, ultimately, the accident that took her life.

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Our featured organization this week is National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. To learn more about their programs, visit their website. Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

To his schoolmates back in Annville, PA, Jerry Kline seemed to vanish out of thin air after 1958. He isn't seen in the yearbook past the tenth grade, and since he was a quiet guy to begin with, nobody really went looking for him. Decades later, they're shocked to hear about his death.

In Episode Two of Here's What I've Heard, we interview classmates and family members of Jerry to get a better idea of who he was as a person, and the events that led to his so-called disappearance.

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Our featured organization this week is Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). To learn more about their programs, visit their website. Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

Special thanks this week to Ryan Starr over at Hi-Res. If you love the creative process and everything that comes with it, you should be listening to Hi-Res. Every other week, Ryan interviews creatives about the experiences that have shaped their careers and influenced their work—and he recently sat down with our very own Courtney Abud! Subscribe on iTunes (or your favorite podcast streaming service) to hear their conversation.

The Kline family was on their way to visit friends when a drunk driver veered into the wrong lane and hit their car head-on. Jerry and Linda Kline, both in their early 20s, and their 13-month old daughter were killed almost instantly. Their two young sons were left orphaned and struggling for their lives.

In the Season One premiere of Here's What I've Heard, Jerry and Linda's granddaughter, Courtney Abud, tries to find answers about their deaths. Her father was one of those orphaned boys—and she's ready to learn more about the grandparents she never met.

Special thanks to Nick Mendez and Martha Kline for their support in pushing Season One live—we couldn't do it without you! To get your own shout-out and gain access to bonus content, become a patron of the show.

Our featured organization this week is the National Safety Council. To learn more about their programs, visit their website. Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

For the past few weeks, we've been working hard to bring you a sneak peak of what's to come in the 2018 premiere of Here's What I've Heard. Now, we're proud to present the teaser for Season One! 

Now that you've had a listen—we need your help! Production on Here's What I've Heard is already underway, but there are costs associated with podcasting that we need to cover. In addition to web hosting, administrative tools and mixing fees, our producers will need to travel as they conduct interviews and visit the scene of the event. The faster we receive funding, the more quickly we can bring Season One straight to your podcast feed! So, if you feel so inclined, head over to our Kickstarter page before November 6th to donate. In return, we've got some great rewards lined up for our backers.

We greatly appreciate any donation you can spare—your support means the world to us!

A million and one thanks to Julia Cannon for the use of her music in the teaser. Her talent knows no bounds!