Who truly drives the greatest fantasy stories—the noble hero… or the villain pulling the strings from the shadows? Today, Jim & Zach go head-to-head in a playful (and heated!) debate over seven iconic hero/villain pairings across some of the biggest fantasy universes.

From Gandalf vs. Sauron to Kaladin vs. Moash, we’re diving deep into who actually made their story unforgettable. Jim champions the heroes, Zach defends the villains. Naturally.

Some debates get spicy. Some get surprising. All of them are a blast.

Jump into the comments and tell us your winner for each pairing!

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🔥 Pairings Debated:

Frodo vs. Gollum

Gandalf vs. Sauron

Harry Potter vs. Voldemort

Kaladin vs. Moash

Obi-Wan vs. Anakin

Rand al’Thor vs. Ishamael

Vin vs. Lord Ruler

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0:00 - Opening

1:56 - Episode Explanation

3:50 - The Debates!

36:53 - Conclusion & Wrap-up

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