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Hierarchy in Medical Training with Barron Lerner and Shailin Thomas


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Everyone has heard of this hospital hierarchy with the attending physicians, fellows, residents, and medical students. And those who have experience working within it know how hard it is to speak up and the importance of establishing a feedback-driven culture. In this episode, Dr. Barron Lerner, a physician, professor, and author, and Shailin Thomas, a 6th year MD/JD student at NYU, join us to speak about their experiences within this hierarchy. 

For more information, check out Dr. Lerner's New York Times article, "In a Hospital Hierarchy, Speaking Up Is Hard to Do," and his book, "The Good Doctor: A Father, a Son, and the Evolution of Medical Ethics."

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