Lindsay and Ilyse talk to therapist and author Amanda White, LPC about the hilling powers of Taylor Swift. They delve in to Amanda's journey with sobriety and how Taylor Swift has been with her along the way. They explore the impact of the Era's Tour and Ilyse shares how Taylor Swift can help weed out toxic men on dating apps.

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