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I haven't caught up with Santi for a while. In light of his recent raise I invited him for the first time to HODLong. In this conversation he shared a lot of his thinking about why he hop on to the founder seat and built Inversion. Full of genuine takes and insights - a highly recommended episode.

Inversion is hiring!

00:44 Santiago's Early Interest in Crypto

05:07 The Challenges of Startups in Crypto

07:54 Inversion: A New Approach to Business Efficiency

11:14 Defining Inversion for Non-Crypto Users

15:19 Targeting Telecom and Financial Services

20:19 Interoperability and Existing Crypto Companies

26:36 Acquisition Strategy and Market Dynamics

36:08 The Future of Consumer Adoption in Crypto

36:53 Investor Dynamics and Strategic Partnerships

41:25 Acquisition Strategies and Business Integration

44:44 Target Markets and Regional Insights

49:53 Building a Sustainable Business Model

52:25 The Importance of Timing and Market Readiness

55:42 The Transition from Investor to Founder

58:24 Ego, Confidence, and Leadership in Entrepreneurship

01:03:41 Mission Alignment and Team Dynamics

X: @santiagoroel / @inversion_cap

Website: https://www.inversioncap.com/

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00:00 Introduction - Kyle & Forward Industries

05:13 Investment strategies & Why Kyle believes that the convertible and perpetual preferred structure works far better for a SOL DAT 

07:54 SOL acquisition opportunities (from whom the SOL are from?)

10:22 Governance role and management team building

15:46 On chain yield strategies

18:27 Latest Take on SIMD-228 - an updated view on Solana native yields

24:12 Evolving perspectives on DATs and understanding the SEC Vision 

25:22 Solana's infrastructure for global securities trading

27:50 Internet Capital Markets

28:54 Entertainment Finance: The next frontier; Pump & Kalshi

35:00 Some misses in the past three years

41:32 The job is not done

Website: Multicoin.capital

X: @KyleSamani / @fwdind
 

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I really enjoyed this conversation with Serpin Taxt, the cofounder of Ethos Network. Please note that this episode is recorded a month ago, so the information may be a bit delayed (sorry I was busy this month).

Show Notes: 

• Early background and how Ethos got started
• Review and discussions around Friend.tech
• About negative review and slashes’ long term impact
• The product overview
• Scoring algorithm and its openness
• Ethos’s incentive alignment design
• Views on multi-chain
• The potential demand of cheaper blockchain costs and the problem’s outlook
• Potential DeFi integration in the prospect
• The discussions about newly proposed rules
• Cold start and high quality user acquisition problem

Website: https://ethos.network

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这期里面Sidekick 联合创始人 Jonny 展现了自己非常真实的一面，听了之后你就会理解这个团队的一些过人之处～

本期概要：

1. 团队背景
2. 最开始进入直播行业的历程：从网鱼到比心
3. 创业路上一次又一次的挫折：疫情、俄乌战争 
4. 目前在sidekick上的直播流程和体验
5. 在推特上或者做私域社区很优秀的KOL，未必是好的主播。好的主播需要什么特质？
6. 目前势头在往上走，做对了什么
7. 流量和买盘是一个东西吗
8. 长期Sidekick的愿景？
9. Sidekick 是怎么考虑自己做交易的

X: @HeyfishYC / @Sidekick_Labs

网址：https://sidekick.fans/ 

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本期概要：

• Huma 是什么，它的商业模式？“PayFi”的理念是什么
• 传统 DeFi 借贷多以超额抵押加密资产为主，而 Huma 提供基于未来收入或应收账款的融资。你们的核心借贷机制是如何实现的？与传统借贷协议相比有哪些创新之处？
• Huma 此前与跨境支付服务商 Arf 完成了合并，获得了更强的合规资质和全球支付网络能力。这项战略举措对你们服务现实金融场景起到了怎样的作用？Huma 如何将 Arf 的优势融入自身平台？
• 在风控和清算机制上，Huma 如何保障借贷的安全性？能否介绍一下你们的风险管理模型以及发生违约时的清算流程？
• 你们近期推出了 Huma 2.0，请问能讲讲这个升级主要包括哪些方面吗？
• 你怎么看Defi 协议大家很在意的TVL？你认为用 TVL 来作为参数评估一个协议的优势和劣势在哪里？ 
• Huma 协议设计了怎样的代币经济模型？HUMA 代币的主要功能定位是什么？
• 在更多现实世界资产（RWA）与链上金融融合方面，Huma 有怎样的战略规划？ 
• 未来在多链部署上有何规划？是否考虑扩展到更多公链？
• Huma 在创业的过程中，有没有什么一些应用场景是原来没想到，被用户需求激发的？
• 在Web3 创业的一些心得和感受？
• Huma Finance未来会开放给更多的应用在上面建设吗？

X：@humafinance / @DrPayFi

网站：https://huma.finance/

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In this episode I hosted Chaofan from Solayer - I learned something new about Solana validators in this episode! Dive in and learn about how Solayer scales, how it works on sandwiching, and how they view talents. 

Show Notes:

• Your background and journey to Solayer
• Is it possible to run the same thing on Ethereum with Solayer’s approach? 
• Compare the technical approach of Eigenlayer with Solayer?
• In your 2025 roadmap, why did you decide to expand from a restaking protocol to a hardware accelerated SVM Chain? 
• How does the end user experience look like?  
• What other blockchains, from a technical standpoint, would you compare and contrast yourself with? Do you consider yourself an L1 or L2, or does this differentiation matter?
• How does Solayer push 1M TPS state sync efficiently to thousands of nodes 
• It is mentioned that solayer made use of state of the art AI technologies in accelerating the chain. Can you tell us more about it?
• Users are sandwiched while trading on Solana with some losing millions of dollars. What’s your view on this and how does Solayer plan to address this problem?
• How does this roadmap tie to the issuance and circulation of sUSD and sSOL? 
• What’s your personal take on SIMD-228? Why did you guys decide to sell 10% of your SIMD-0228 vote on Meteora?
• Why do you guys do quite a bit lot of “public good” works that may not necessarily directly benefit Solayer? For example trying to save the fund that 1inch’s MM got hacked and in some other cases you tried to publish the details of security incidents
• I saw that you are hiring a security researcher for 1MM a year. Is that real?

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本期邀请到了ELIZA OS白皮书的联合作者Sam Gao给我们唠唠他写作关于 AI 人物史传记的心得（这期不是特别Web3），对于AI科技史上重要人物的故事有兴趣的朋友可以一听～

p.s. 这一期其实二月中旬就录制了，但是一直没来得及剪辑放出，致以歉意～

本期概要：

• 自我介绍
• 给听众介绍一下之前写过的那本《青稞.人物志》
• AI 领域的大神里面成名之前的人生故事
• 现在特别早期的一些尝试里面我们能看到AI 项目会利用Web3的激励网络来做人类资源的调度。你觉得 AI和web3的两条线会是一个怎样的发展趋势和线程？
• 你怎么看Minimax的创始人闫俊杰说的“在现在这个阶段为了产品化对技术进步作出牺牲不可取“的这个观点？
• 2025年很多人认为是 Agent 之年，甚至比如零一万物的创始人李开复会认为今年是AI商业化的关键一年。从你的角度，你怎么看Agent？
• 如何看待Web3背景下AI Agent 25-26年的发展？
• 你会想要投资怎样的创业者？
• 很多开发者对于Eliza v2 的发布都比较关注。Eliza v1 的一些问题，和v2 作出的优化

Twitter（X）：@samuel_ys92

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In this episode I had the CEO of Backpack, Armani Ferrante on. It was a great conversation in their Tokyo office. Our conversion covered from his view on centralized exchanges to what he thinks of non-custodial wallets. We also discussed a lot beyond the business of Backpack. If you're interested, you should tune in yourself!

Show Notes: 

• The background of Armani, and the history of Backpack
• What does a FTX-shaped hole in the market look like
• How and why important centralized exchanges are to the industry
• Congratulations on your public beta that was announced 2 weeks ago. Since the launch, what were the exciting updates?
• You guys have been working hard long before this Public Beta. What were some of the preparation work?
• The pivotal licenses to acquire
• The important markets for Backpack
• Web3 teams in the US under Trump administration
• Institution volume vs retail volume
• Mobile experience of Backpack - no separation of the wallet and the centralized exchange
• Account abstraction wallet as an ultimate solution for the inconvenience led by self-custody
• Backpack Exchange’s roadmap in the next 6-12 months
• Learnings from FTX: being normal is underrated - "be a redwood"
• Coinbase is a role model
• Base as a community and L2’s centralized sequencer challenges
• The next page of NFT - status signaling and digital life matters

X: @armaniferrante / @Backpack

Website: https://backpack.exchange/

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本期摘要：

• 你们说自己“在发明一种爱好，类似没有滑板的时候在发明滑板或者巴塔哥尼亚那个哥们在从头发明攀岩装备。”你们怎么告诉别人Funes是什么？
• 复杂的爱好是一种商业模式，需要成立公司来运营和发展
• 谁最需要你们？谁是你的长期社区成员？
• 怎么找到这些最初的核心用户？
• 从重轻的文字里读出来你并不喜欢元宇宙这个概念，是因为虚假和幻觉么？
• 元宇宙批评之我真的没有故意把重轻放在火上烤：真实的世界是复杂的
• Funes的每个合伙人写了一篇关于Funes的文章。可达那个让我印象很深刻，说的是关于他的教授言传身教让他们做考古研究观察这个世界时不要有预判和分别心。所以我很好奇，做3D模型以后有改变你们看这个世界的方式么。
• 在美国锈带和土耳其的经历
• 通过网上冲浪找到的废墟网站及通过这些冲浪拍到的莫名其妙的东西
• Funes是一个内容公司，再聊如何找到社区核心成员
• 关于Funes潜在的激励网络（相信我这段对话一定不是你想的那样）

模型链接：
（苹果手机可以直接在网页中观看 AR 版，如遇卡顿可用电脑打开）

[路边杆子上的飞车 A Car on A Pole in Bethlehem Township](https://funes.world/models/#ACarOnAPoleInBethlehemTownship)

[高速旁的巨大鳄鱼 "Saint" Alligator Bonfire](https://funes.world/models/#SaintAlligatorBonfire)

[辽中京大名塔，Funes 一开始想扫描的类型：辽塔](https://funes.world/models/?q=dam#DamingPagoda)

这个汉洋不记得提到没有但是来都来了就放上去吧：[七台河的筒子楼](https://funes.world/models/?q=qita#KhrushchevkaInQitaihe)

Blog（发刊词）:

[丰泽：我为什么加入 Funes：为我们铁证如山的未来](https://funes.world/blogs/index.html#why-i-joined-funes/zh)

[可达：细密的人间](https://funes.world/blogs/index.html#cosmos-in-detail/zh)

[汉洋：张昭的题记](https://funes.world/blogs/index.html#zhang-zhaos-story/zh)

[徐缓：从无数个念想开始](https://funes.world/blogs/index.html#staring-from-a-thousand-of-wishes-by-huan/zh)

[轶轩：风铎的声音](https://funes.world/blogs/index.html#the-sound-of-wind-chimes/zh)

[重轻：Funes 在筹集什么？](https://funes.world/blogs/index.html#what-are-funes-gathering/zh)

[可达、重轻和汉洋的播客《山有虎》，各大泛用型播客客户端都能搜到，他们接下来也会基于模型做节目] (https://shanyouhu.xyz/)

Twitter（X）：@HanyangWang / @Funes_World 

 

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这个节目的标题我没有想到一个特别出彩的但我很坦然，因为这一集也是一样：没有极其惊艳的大道理或者洞察，但是聊完之后你却更觉得Haze 和 GMGN 团队的优秀之处。他们在细节处见真章。在访谈的最后一个问题，你可能会期待他回答一些特别厉害的东西，但是他的回答仍然是那么朴素。这大概就是GNGM的成功的秘诀吧，坚持，用心。

这一周过去了我跟 Haze 感慨，所有人都吹捧你的感觉真是神奇，他淡淡地回答：风口上而已。没了风，就没有这些了。

Show Notes:

1. GMGN的前世今生：最开始这个想法是怎么孕育的，核心用户是从什么渠道积累的
2. 产品迭代经历了哪些阶段
3. GMGN 做社区的特点是老板自己也下场吗
4. 你觉得你们做产品这么多年积累下来的哪些经验和基础设施的优势在迭代GMGN时对你们有所帮助？
5. 功能迭代的流程
6. 你们最近支持了BNB Chain，很多业内人士开玩笑说你们收到了BNB Chain最高规格的接待。有一个很资深的在 BNB Chain 上做开发的朋友的观点是你们最初支持BNB Chain时还没有针对BNB Chain做太多优化。所以从那时到现在的变化是什么？
7. BNB Chain 或者其他一些EVM链，相比Solana，最大的区别是什么
8. memecoin真的有多链同时交易、链抽象前端和产品体验的需求吗
9. 海外与国际化：假设你们觉得Solana 长期还是很值得深耕，是否考虑全球化
10. Memecoin 交易的下半场，你觉得在白热化的竞争里面，持续保持优势甚至拉开别人一头差距的重点在哪

Website：

https://gmgn.ai/app
 

Twitter（X）：@haze0x / @gmgnai

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