HODLong 后浪

I restarted HODLong as a traders' talk and hosted Ogle as the first guest on the show. 

Show Notes

00:00 How Ogle first got into trading as a kid

05:17 Growing up poor and developing a complicated relationship with money

10:52 Stepping back from public life, building companies, and returning to trading

14:09 Why deep research comes before making meaningful investments

18:23 The core thesis: revenue, real users, and value flowing back to token holders

24:53 How to research founders, incentives, and whether a business can sustain its model

27:00 Early bets vs. later entries: balancing risk, upside, and conviction

29:41 Position sizing and the idea of a “sleeping size”

32:19 A real-time example of resizing a position when part of a thesis breaks

36:29 The “wrong train” mental model for cutting a losing position

38:05 Why opportunity cost matters more than comparing investments directly

41:19 What makes a business defensible: moats, partnerships, and distribution

46:16 Self-worth, luck, and proving you can still perform

50:37 Why strong founders can still lose: timing, capital, and staying close to users

57:23 How better user experience helped reshape perpetual trading

60:04 Why investing is easier to pivot than building a company

61:44 Actively looking for evidence that disproves your thesis

65:40 Turning trading lessons into durable mental models

68:23 Ego, detachment, and why traders are often competing against themselves

70:34 Managing liquidity risk and preserving optionality in large positions

72:49 Social trading, signaling, and the danger of performing for an audience

78:25 Closing thoughts: social media, visibility, and the Panopticon

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Show Notes: 

00:00 Introduction and Background about StandX and DUSD (why build together?)
02:15 Evolution and Challenges of on-chain DEXs
08:15 User Needs under Current Market Dynamics
12:32 Product Design and User Experience
16:41 Other Perp DEXs
21:15 Risk Management and Regulatory Environment for Perp DEXs
24:58 Market Competition and Strategic Positioning
30:08 User Feedback and Product Iteration
34:18 Summary and Outlook

X: @StandX_AG / @StandX_Official
Website: https://standx.com/ 

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Show Notes: 

00:00 The Journey of Self-Reflection

02:41 Understanding Failure and Fear

05:25 Defining Success and Failure

07:56 The Role of Trust in the Industry

10:13 Navigating the Crypto Landscape

13:03 The Evolution of Crypto Ventures

15:33 Lessons from Early Experiences

17:55 The Importance of User Value

20:44 The Impact of Market Dynamics

23:14 Reflections on Airdrops and User Engagement

26:01 Navigating Challenges in the Crypto Space

29:09 The Future of Crypto and Personal Growth

38:34 The Call for Decentralization

41:18 Building Jupnet: A New Era in Finance

43:59 Innovations in Authentication and Sequencing

48:49 The Multi-Chain Future: Embracing New Opportunities

51:06 The Role of Empathy in Leadership

59:54 Personal Growth and the Importance of Vision

01:04:06 Studio and the Challenges of Launching Projects

01:15:17 Focus on Building Strong Brands

01:17:44 Navigating Support Frameworks and Expectations

01:20:05 Leadership and Community Engagement

01:23:00 The Importance of Sustainable Project Support

01:26:18 Reflections on the JOO Token and Community Dynamics

01:36:26 Rebuilding the Token Narrative and Community Trust

X: @weremeow / @JupiterExchange

Website: https://jup.ag/

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Show Notes:

00:00 Opening and self-introduction
01:23 The development history of Layer 0
04:37 Market competition and partners
06:47 Investment and market dynamics
09:26 Future outlook and strategic direction
16:33 The relationship between capital and the “interstellar arena”
19:10 Challenges of consolidation and the management environment
21:22 The impact of STG and market changes
24:05 Voting mechanisms and team participation
26:57 Buyback plans and use of funds
29:36 The development and future outlook of Layer 0
32:37 Comparison the experience working with PayPal and Plasma
35:45 Future challenges and opportunities

X: @PrimordialAA / @LayerZero_Core 

Website: https://layerzero.network/

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02:04 Crypto Journeys: Soju and Zhen's Backgrounds

04:27 Understanding Meteora: Current State and Future Vision

06:49 Lessons from Mercurial: Token Migration and Community Support

09:30 The Trump Token Launch: Behind the Scenes

12:23 Positioning for Future Celebrity Launches

14:59 Governance and Vetting Processes in Token Launches

17:46 Dynamic Bonding Curve: Innovations and User Experience

20:39 Dynamic Liquidity Market Maker: Features and Advantages

23:24 Challenges and Future Developments in DLMM

26:02 The Role of MET Token and Community Alignment

28:32 Revenue Utilization and Buyback Philosophy

31:10 Metrics for Success: Focusing on Fees

33:45 Future Vision: What Will Meteora Look Like in Six Months?

X: @MeteoraAG./ @0xSoju / @realdezen

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Show Notes:

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background of Lighter

02:26 The Launch of Lighter and Its Features

05:25 Transition from Private to Public Beta

07:56 Trading Volume and Metrics

10:37 Open Interest and Volume Dynamics

13:31 Incentive Programs and User Engagement

15:56 Points System and User Behavior

18:42 Future Developments and Season Two

21:27 Verifiable Matching and Liquidations

24:09 Fee Structure and Token Philosophy

24:45 Retail vs. Professional Trading

27:12 Fee Structures and Trading Tiers

29:00 Latency and Advantages for Premium Accounts

32:43 Order Flow and System Verification

35:40 Single Sequencer Challenges

38:46 Auto-Deleveraging and Liquidation Processes

41:33 Criteria for Asset Listings

43:25 Community-Driven Regional Strategies

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Show Notes:

00:00 Sahej's Journey into Crypto and DeFi

01:41 Building Avantis: Vision and Strategy

04:40 Choosing Base: Strategic Decisions

07:12 Market Dynamics and User Engagement

09:48 Innovative Trading Models at Avantis

12:30 Liquidity Provider Innovations

15:29 Tokenomics and Community Engagement

23:42 Strategic Buybacks and Growth Focus

26:22 Balancing Token Holder Incentives and Team Sustainability

29:00 Innovative Staking Mechanisms and Risk Management

31:12 Leveraging AMMs for Unique Trading Features

34:12 Scaling Open Interest and Market Maker Incentives

37:10 Governance Dynamics and Community Engagement

38:46 Navigating Partnerships and Market Dynamics

45:05 Future Roadmap and Technological Innovations

X: @0xSehaj / @avantisfi 

Website: avantisfi.com

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In light of the kick-off of Points Program Stage 3 of Aster I'm publishing this episode recorded on September 29, 2025 with Leonard, CEO of Aster, on Aster's value proposition, all things related to the token transparency, Aster Chain, and future plans

00:27 Leonard's Journey into Crypto

03:56 Defining Aster's Current and Future Vision

07:21 Aster's Unique Value Proposition

09:57 Governance and Decentralization in Aster

11:39 Leonard's Preference on Other DEX Products

13:39 The Dark Pool Design Explained

18:36 Tokenomics and Supply Dynamics

23:57 Genesis Stage 2 / 3 Points Program

28:16 Spot Trading and Liquidity Development

33:05 Postmortem on XPL Incident

35:31 Oracle and Tokenized Stocks

37:17 Token Buybacks Philosophy

43:04 Product Features and User Demographics

46:31 Aster Chain and Future Directions

51:02 Market Maker Program and Mobile App Development

X: @LeonardAster/ @Aster_DEX 
Website: https://www.asterdex.com/

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In this hyper-casual episode (probably one of the most casual episodes I've ever had 😂) I invited Ogle to talk about all things Glue and America.fun 

00:00 Introduction and Ogle's Introduction

03:58 Exposing Industry Crimes

06:57 The Vision Behind Glue

09:15 User Acquisition 

11:41 Bring Older Generations into Crypto

14:44 Glue's Onboarding Experience

17:13 Technical Architecture and the Use of Substrate

22:44 Future Plans for Glue and America.Fun

33:47 The Unique Features of America.Fun

36:42 Relationships in the Crypto Space

39:39 The American Ethos and Its Impact on Business

45:14 Project Launch Strategies and Community Engagement

52:16 Criticism and Haters in the Crypto World

X: @cryptogle

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Note: there was a small piece (about 5 mins) missing from the recording (yes, sorry, Yoaquim rugged - he didn't finish uploading xd). If you want to see the full livestream, please go to: https://x.com/Mable_Jiang/status/1971575903491940630 

01:34 Transition from VC to Building

04:22 Discussion on Quanto and Migration from OX

07:13 User Experience and Team 

09:35 Handling User Funds

10:17 Choosing Solana as the Main Venue

12:28 Recent Market Events and Community Response

15:23 Design and Functionality of Quanto

18:05 Proof of Reserves and User Verification

20:35 Withdrawal Processes and Risk Management

22:22 Tokenomics and QTO Flywheel

31:13 Future Plans and Partnerships

34:02 Market Expansion and Asset Listings

X: @yqboom / @quanto

Website: https://quanto.trade/en

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