Macon, Marsh, and Alex talk about the difference and challenges of finding, selecting, and training leaders for their non-denominational churches.

Show Notes:

KPOP Demon Hunter

The Critical Drinker reviews KPOP Demon Hunter

Jaws

A Mighty Wind

Spinal Tap

Spinal Tap 2

Best In Show

Waiting for Guffman

Waiting for Godot

The Fantastic Four

Thunderbolts*

Eldership and the Mission of God

Credible Witness

Miracle Work

Session, from the Latin word sessio, which means “to sit", as in sitting to deliberate to talk about something…

Alex, Marshall, and Macon talk about Movies, Homeless Neighbors, and what the Purpose of Preaching should be.

Show Notes:

KPOP Demon Hunters

Hyperpalatable Foods

Bad Guys 2

Fantastic 4

Welcome to Wrexham

Mobile Loaves and Fishes

Doors that go like this

Community First! Village

The one on the right is better for battering doors.

Gary’s 3rd Session with us

We make change.

Greenhouse Retreats

Macon, Alex, and Marshall return to “The Who Question” for our third and final (for now) round with Dr. Gary Deddo. We talk about what’s different theologically from when the three of us took our first class with him 25 years ago: the continued secular drive to anthropocentricism, encouraged by influencers and even spiritual directors; the further ignorance of evil; and the turn towards Idealism, instead of Realism.

Show Notes:

* The Kingdom of Christ and Evil, chapter 7 of Incarnation, by T.F. Torrance

* Milk Toast the food, which lead to the character Milquetoast, a 1910s Comic Strip, which lead to current usage.

* Albert Mohler on the story of Robert Schuller and The Crystal Cathedral

* People of the Lie, by Scott Peck

* Circles of Neighbors diagram. (c 2000)

* The Steward Leader, by R. Scott Rodin

* Reinhold Niebuhr, Moral Man and Immoral Society

Marshall is back with Alex and Macon for a second round with Dr. Gary Deddo. We talk about how TF’s theology informs pastoral and ethical teaching, as well as how he and his brother, JB, were similar and different in their theological inputs and outputs.

Show Notes:

T.F. Torrance

Andrew Murray

J.B. Torrance

John Calvin’s Commentary on Hebrews

Royal Priesthood

back when we tried to talk about Saints

Thesaurus Ecclesiae aka Treasury of merit

The Reverse Perspective in the Orthodox Iconography

Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way

T.F. Torrance's commemoration of H.R. Mackintosh

Karl Barth

Agreed Statement on the Holy Trinity

The T.F. Torrance Theological Fellowship

Participatio: Journal of the Thomas F. Torrance Theological Fellowship

T.F. lecture at Princeton on Theology and Science, 1985

The Soul and Person of the Unborn Child is not online, but a later, and available, document on the subject by T.F. is The Being and Nature of the Unborn Child.

Alex and Macon are left to their own devices again so they work through and critique a recent CT article on Evangelical “fractures.” Spoiler: Macon might not be buying it.

Show Notes:

They would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids.

Four Years Ago: The Six Way Fracturing of Evangelicalism

The Six, summarized by CT:

0 – Right-Leaning Exvangelicals have left the church but identify as Christian or promote the merit of Christianity for the preservation of conservative cultural values and institutions.

1 – Neo-Fundamentalists focus on biblical fidelity and conservative values. This group is deeply concerned about liberalism and growing cultural hostility toward Christianity.

2 – Mainstream Evangelicals prioritize the Great Commission, so while they are concerned by extreme fundamentalism, they are more worried about the secular left’s influence.

3 – Neo-Evangelicals emphasize the global nature of the movement and the need to engage with the culture. This group critiques conservative political allegiances and failures on social issues while addressing liberal Christianity’s theological compromises.

4 – Post-Evangelicals center on justice and accountability. They challenge hypocrisy and abuses in the church while distancing themselves from evangelical identity, though they hold to core doctrinal beliefs.

5 – Left-Leaning Exvangelicals have dechurched due to disenfranchisement with evangelicalism’s failures but retain some orthodox Christian beliefs.

6 – Dechurched have left both the church and Christian faith entirely, abandoning all vestiges of belief.

The Christianity Today article: A Splintered Generation: Evangelicalism’s fracturing is chronic, but not terminal. Here’s how we can move forward.

It’s all ball bearings nowadays!

The Lausanne Movement’s Cape Town Commitment

H. Richard Niebuhr - Christ and Culture

Asbury Awakening

Can’t we all just get along?

Macon, Marshall, and Alex welcome Gary Deddo, their beloved Theology Professor, to Hold For Podcast. We talk about how Gary first discovered T.F. Torrance, how T.F. interpreted Barth to English speakers, and what a proper Theological Anthropology would look like.

Show Notes

Westmont College

Karl Barth

The Church Dogmatics

Ray Anderson

University of Edinburgh

Ray Anderson: Historical Transcendence and The Reality of God

Fuller Seminary

J.B. Torrance

T.F. Torrance

Emil Brunner

Robert Webber: Common Roots - A Call to Evangelical Maturity

Encounter Psychology

John Stott: Understanding The Bible

Tom Wright

Last week’s podcast: Words about The Word

Incarnation & Atonement

The Trinitarian Faith

The Christian Doctrine of God

Grace Communion Seminary

Tom Oden: Classic Christianity

Dogmatics in Outline

Experiencing the Trinity

Worship, Community, and the Triune God of Grace

Some of Gary’s Courses (including the “Short Syllabi”:

* The Triune God Revealed in Jesus Christ

* Jesus Christ - The Nature of Humans and Salvation

* The Holy Spirit, The Church and Last Things

* Doctrine of The Trinity

* Theology of C.S. Lewis

* Christology of T.F. Torrance

* Theological Ethics

Participatio

Resisting Reductionism

Ray Anderson: On Being Human - Essays in Theological Anthropology

Alex, Marshall, and Macon use their words to work out the relationship between The Word and the words of Scripture.

Show Notes:

You cut me deep

RIP Red Shirts

Mission Impossible: Final Reckoning

Remains of the Day

The Breakfast Club

PSA: Fast and Furious Series Timeline in Chronological Order

Divine Meaning

Macon and Alex talk through the implications that Yogic/Taoist language might well describe human experience in a helpful way without needing to worry about making an ontological move into believing how the universe is in reality.

Show Notes:

Phlogiston theory (Alchemy!)

The problem of “truth” between “paradigms” is called “incommensurability.”

Euclidean geometry vs non-Euclidean geometry

Asana

Yin Yoga

Goju Ryu, specifically

Enneagram Energies

Pythagoreanism was also a religion

Mawashi geri actually means “roundhouse kick.” Gedan Barai means “low block.” Management regrets the error.

Alex, Marshall, and Macon work through Macon’s observation that Kings are promised in the Abrahamic Covenant. Does God’s statement to Abraham, “Kings will come from you,” square with “they’ve rejected me as their King,” which is what God tells Samuel? Necco Wafers are on the line.

Show Notes:

Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard

Bob Dylan

Woodie Guthrie

Indigo Girls

Secure yourself to heaven

Chuck Berry

cousin to Marvin Berry

One Shining Moment

Can’t Stop the Feeling

GLOCKENSPIEL SOLO!!!

Macon, Marsh, and Alex talk about the implication of David’s anointing by Samuel prior to him confronting Goliath. Do we really all have our own Goliath?

Show Notes:

Sandlot

Thunderbolts*

Hawkeye

America’s a$$

Rating Power Index is a Sports Rating System

All of us have an El Guapo to face someday!

Thomas Jefferson’s Bible

…though Kings are promised to Abram in Genesis 17

Malcom Gladwell’s TED Talk on DvsG