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Leaders often find themselves carrying everything, keeping the wheels turning and telling themselves they’re coping. In this episode, Dee Clayton is joined by Marie Ball to talk honestly about what happens when that pressure starts to take a toll. They explore why burnout creeps in and what needs to change to lead in a more sustainable way.

Marie brings an HR and evidence-based perspective to the conversation, helping leaders and people professionals spot the early signs that are often missed. Together, they unpack why “holding it all together” can quietly drain energy over time, and what small, realistic shifts can make leadership more sustainable before people reach breaking point.