In this episode of Gangland Wire, retired Kansas City intelligence detective Gary Jenkins sits down with writer and mob historian Stone Wallace—a man whose path has crossed acting, broadcasting, boxing, and a lifelong fascination with organized crime. The focus of today’s conversation is Stone Wallace’s latest book, Hollywood and the Chicago Boys, which uncovers how the Chicago Outfit quietly moved in on Hollywood in the 1930s. With Prohibition fading, figures like Frank Nitti and Tony Accardo shifted their sights to new rackets in film unions, projection booths, and studio lots.

Stone Wallace’s obsession with the mob began at age seven with a library book on the 1920s. It lit a fire that would eventually lead Wallace to explore the violent glamour of the underworld in both fiction and nonfiction.

Stone Wallace shares how he created the fictional studio boss Sam Bast, modeled after several real-life moguls, and how mob-connected actors like George Raft blurred the lines between movie star and made man. From behind-the-scenes extortion to real-life gangland enforcers like Jack “Machine Gun” McGurn, this episode connects the dots between celluloid dreams and street-level muscle.

Stone Wallace’s Amazon author page.

🔍 Highlights:

Why Frank Nitti saw Hollywood as the Outfit’s next goldmine

The real mob ties of actor George Raft

The creation of Sam Bast, a fictional composite of Hollywood studio heads

Extortion in the projectionist booths and labor unions

Mobster myths vs. brutal realities—how fiction reflects fact

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💬 Quote of the Episode:

0:02 Introduction to the Underworld

1:25 Early Fascination with the Mob

2:29 Hollywood and the Chicago Boys

5:34 The Allure of George Raft

7:22 Researching the Mob’s Hollywood Infiltration

12:05 The Role of Unions in the Mob

14:51 Tony Accardo: The Complex Character

17:05 The Impact of the Mob on Society

23:04 Writing Westerns and a Modern Sheriff

25:43 Upcoming Films and Future Projects

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Transcript

[0:38] For different companies And he really started out writing westerns If I remember right Oh yeah He wrote stories If you ever read Louis L’Amour Which I did when I was young He wrote those kinds of stories But later he got into the mob So Stonewallis, welcome Thank you very much, Gary. It’s a pleasure to be here speaking with you on your broadcast. Well, it’s great to have you on. Tell the guys a little bit about your life, anything you would want them to know about you. Well, I suppose the most important thing would be that I’ve always had an interest in the underworld, and it started at a very young age. I was about seven years old or so when I was visiting my aunt,

[1:21] and she had a library book there about the 1920s. And I was sitting there, I kind of flipped through the pages and I came to the section about the underworld, especially the Chicago underworld.

[1:33] And I don’t know what it was, but something pretty much clicked at that point. And I just found it incredibly fascinating. And it just kind of stayed with me. And to this day, it has never actually left me. I’ve been fascinated by the mob, especially the Chicago underworld. And I’ve done a lot of research into it. In fact, when I was in grade three, our teacher asked us to write a little short essay about, you know, an important historical figure. And I chose Al Capone, which raised a few eyebrows at that time. But that’s how I went. And it just pretty much grew from there. And I became a fan of the old TV series, The Untouchables, and was fortunate later on in life to interview Robert Stack. And it just grew from there. It’s never gone away. I’ve always been just totally fascinated by historical mobsters. Well, interesting. And your book that we’re going to talk about that has just

[2:27] come out is Hollywood and the Chicago Boys. I know a little bit about that story. These guys, they went out and they extorted the heck out of those film studios out there. They made a lot of money through the unions and then… After the unions, of course, the union extortion can then lead into extorting the employers. That’s what they did. And they, you know, they knew how to do that in Chicago. But first, you wrote a book about George Raft, the man who would be Bogart. Now, George Raft is, I mean, he had his own real mafia background.

[3:03] So tell us a little bit about George Raft. Well, I became interested in George Raft back in 1972 when I spent the summer with my aunt and uncle in Chicago.

[3:12] And they were playing a couple of George Raft movies. We never got them here in Winnipeg. They didn’t really play those kind of films here too much. But they played each Don I Die, and I forget the other picture, but each Don I Die in particular really just captivated me. I know who James Cagney was and I always admired him. But there was something about George Raft in this film, the strength and the presence that he had, that I just became instantly fascinated with him and began researching his life and his career and finding out he was a very interesting fellow. He did have underworld connections. In fact, that helped bring him to Hollywood back in the 1930s through working with Oney Madden, the bootlegger. But James Cagney, I think, summed it up best about George Raft. He said, George Raft was of the underworld, but he wasn’t in the underworld. I believe he was in the fringes because he did help Oney Madden deliver liquor during Prohibition, but he was never actually, you know, a tough guy gangster type, although that’s what he became famous for in movies, and plus his friendships with people like Oney Madden, and particularly Bugsy Siegel. Yeah, that would have happened out there in Hollywood, for sure, because Siegel had a lot of connections out there before his life was ended in Hollywood, and I read something about where Madden is the one that really suggested that he try his luck in the movies and bankrolled him a little bit until he got a break, which is important.

[4:35] So that’s the heck of a story on George Rappings. The real gangster who became a movie star. These guys all want to become movie stars. We’ve got one in Kansas City, kind of like to become a movie star, but he did it. Well, Bugsy Siegel, Bugsy Siegel as well, apparently had aspirations to get into film work, according to George Raft.

[4:55] He bought motion picture equipment and apparently had George make some footage of him doing various roles. I’d love to see those films. I don’t know if they even exist anymore, But he had aspirations to be a film star, I guess, based on his friendship with George. Well, if you can act, I can act too. But unfortunately, or fortunately, that never came to be. Yeah, I think we all think, well, that acting looks so easy. Anybody could do it. But believe me, nobody can do it except the people who are blessed with that talent, in my opinion.

[5:30] Well, George Raft, don’t forget, basically, he was always criticized for his acting. They said he was very wooden. He didn’t show a lot of emotion, but he basically played himself. I mean, you look at someone like Humphrey Bogart, he could vary his characterizations from playing a tough guy in the Petrified Forest to doing Treasure of Sierra Madre, the Maltese Falcon, the African Queen. George Raft’s films basically had him playing the same character, whether it was a gangster or a hero or a working man. The George Raft personality always seemed to come through in those roles.

[6:04] Interesting. Interesting. So talking about Hollywood, let’s start talking about Hollywood and Chicago boys. How’d you get in? How’d you do your research? I know this is actually a historical fiction, but it’s based on real people and real facts. So tell us about doing the research on this and what you learned. Well, again, my interest in Chicago and Hollywood, I love old movies and stuff like that, and of course with my interest in your draft. I wanted to write a book that was like a fact fiction dealing with the Chicago mob moving into attempting to take over the Hollywood unions after Capone went away because Prohibition came to an end, and that was their most lucrative source of income. So, you know, Frank Nitti and Cardo and Paul Rica, they wanted to look into new areas to expand their rackets and started off with the theater owners in Chicago, but they decided to go beyond that, go right to the source. So in my book, what they do is they send down Willie Bioff to talk to the production head of a studio.

[7:09] It’s fact but fiction what happens there, because I wanted to make it, you know, a fun book to read. There have been so many books written about the Hollywood unions and the Chicago mob and everything.

[7:20] So I thought, well, let’s do this like a Roman eclipsed. So the facts are there. The people are there for the most part. Some are fictionalized. I use a lot of the real names, of course. I mean, I have Tony Iacardo, Rika, of course. Ellie and Ness fits into the story, which, of course, in real life he didn’t at that point. But I thought it would be kind of fun to add him into the mix.

[7:39] Then I have a character named Billy Shore, if you’ve read the book. And he’s based on comedian Joe E. Lewis. Oh, really? Yeah, he was roughed up by Machine Gun McGurray’s mob when he wouldn’t stay with the club he was at and wanted to move on to further his career, and he was warned if he did that, he wouldn’t live to open. And he did survive, but he was pretty badly brutalized by the hoods. Yeah, it seemed like they cut his throat or something, didn’t they? They damaged his voice in some way. Oh, yeah, they cut his throat. They apparently mutilated his tongue. Well, he started off as a singer, and of course, that was the end of his singing career. He became a comedian. And in my book, what I do is I changed him into a producer. He goes to Hollywood to get away from McGurn’s wrath, and he and his manager… Because he was given some money by Capone, his retribution for what McGurn did to him. He uses that money to invest in a film. And then we move into the whole situation with his film career. And then when McGurn is sent to Hollywood, which of course never happened, but it’s in the book, and he wants to be the front man for setting up the mob’s infiltration into the studios. And so he’s using his old connection with the Billy Shore character and kind of builds from there.

[8:58] Interesting, interesting. What about the Hollywood moguls? How did you deal with them? They were, I mean, for a while they were happy just to, you know, they figured there’s cost of doing business to keep these mob guys satisfied and keep the union guys coming in. How did you deal with them? Well, I basically amalgamate them into one character. You know, instead of having them all over the place, like, you know, have Louis B. Mayer being one, Jack Warner being another, Harry Cohen being another. I just put them all into this one character there. I believe his name is Sam Bast. So he’s just the amalgamation of all of them. And so Willie Biaf is the one who deals with him directly. Otherwise, it would kind of get too scattered. So it’s kind of all developed into the one person there. And his dealings with Biaf and discovering that, you know, it’s really a mob infiltration scheme and how he deals with them without going into too much detail and giving the plot away. I don’t want to give too much away here. Not too much away, no.

[10:00] I’m kind of curious about the whole thing. Did you deal with the unions at all, the projectionist union? Because they were well known. That’s how they got started in Chicago was infiltrating the projectionist union. Back then, the studios, the national company owned all the theaters throughout the United States. It wasn’t a bunch of little individual guys, mainly, that owned the big cities and the big theaters were owned by the studios. So then they needed the projectionists to go to work. So how did you deal with the union aspect? Well, I have one character. That’s how you say before they move into the Hollywood situation, they deal with one union representative of the Projectors Unionists. I’m sorry. And that’s how they start off. And he’s kind of a hard-edged guy himself, and he’s dealing with the mob at that point before they decide to move to California and go on a bigger scale. But he becomes a major character in the book as well. And actually, it’s him that kind of leads to Frank Nitti’s downfall through circumstances that are kind of unusual. But again, don’t want to say too much as to what happens there.

[11:14] I have one character there and he’s a tough Irishman who stands up to the mob when McGurn comes to lay down the law as far as they’re concerned, Now, Tony Accardo, or Joe Batters, in real life, he was able to stay above and away from all this and made it through all this. He was more like a young hitter, had a crew or something, when you’re talking about back in the 30s. What part is he going to play in this? Accardo is an immensely popular guy. Oh, he’s a major character in the book. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And talks about how his ascension in the mob there kind of coincides with McGurn kind of losing favor in the mob,

[12:03] which actually happened in real life in the 30s. Don’t forget that Ocardo was Machine Gun McGurn’s protege, in essence. Oh, that’s right, isn’t it? Yeah, he brought him into the Chicago mob with Capone. So, yeah, he’s an interesting guy. I’ve always found Ocardo fascinating because if you’ve ever read the book by Bill Romer, a genuine godfather.

[12:25] The man really had two sides. He could be as vicious as they come, but Romer always said, I had a grudging respect for him because he could be a good person too. So I always thought a person like that would be very interesting to write about. So I put him into my book as a character. I think I present him, it’s a fictional representation, but I think I present him very fairly on both sides. From both sides, yeah. I get accused of that. You only show one side of people. And, you know, I interviewed a guy, a guy named Carlo Morelli, who as a young man was in… A Cardo sphere, if you will. And his father was, and, and a Cardo needed somebody to take his daughter to be a prom date for his daughter. Uh, probably the guys didn’t really want to take her. And, and he called this kid in cause he’s knew the kid’s dad. And he said, Hey, I want you to take my daughter to the prom, you know, here’s some money. And, and, you know, I have somebody drive y’all. And so the guy told the story of him doing that. And, and I tell you what, Stone, I’ve interviewed a lot of people that had a lot of different stories. And this guy, he really did that, in my opinion. He really did that. He had too many good details. And then the girl took off that night and dumped him for a while and went off some other friends. He had to go back alone, and then she kind of came back with these other frequencies.

[13:49] It’s hard to understand. So he did have that other side. And he told the kid, he said, you know, I understand. She’s kind of wild.

[13:58] I think I’ve heard that story, actually. That’s right. And the poor kid was, oh, my God, I’ve got to tell, you know, you’re part of the law boss of Chicago that his daughter ran out. You know, oh, my gosh. I wouldn’t envy him. I’ll say that’s one girl, you know, you wouldn’t really want to date. And, you know, because on top of that, she was quite an independent soul from what I hear. No, she was. She was. She took off with a high school friend in a brand new car that he bought her for a graduation. And it just disappeared for about a week or two. And then finally called back for about a fee out in Arizona or something. Oh, he was mad. You know, I mean, this could happen to any parent, even, you know, Tony Ocardo. Yeah, but he’s the one parent you wouldn’t want to have to report that to, you know.

[14:48] You know, I mean, we know what happened when people offended Ocardo. You know, look at the burglary at his house. I mean, oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. I think everybody listening probably or watching knows the story of his house, of burglary of his house. Man, a bunch of guys got killed after that. But I don’t know, five or six got killed right after that. I’ve done one story on it. So, guys, you know, look back and see if you can’t find that story. It’s a heck of a story.

[15:17] Well, the bottom line is, I mean, after that happened, You’re probably living in the safest neighborhood in Chicago. No one’s going to be coming around there to do any business, that’s for sure. You know, like they say, these Italian neighborhoods, these old-school Italian neighborhoods are always really safe because they left out for everybody in the neighborhood. I just talked with a guy about our North Indian border. I don’t get laid in the 50s, 60s, and 70s up until the 80s. I mean, you can keep anything laying on the street. You’ll still be there the next day. Oh, yeah. And, you know, it’s maybe a little bit off topic, but it’s the same thing with Las Vegas, because I was working with Elvis Presley’s songwriter and actress Dolores Fuller on Autobiography some years back. And she would tell me quite often, she says, you know, when the mobs ran the casinos, this was the safest city in the US. But once the corporations took over, things changed pretty drastically. And so a lot of people, I think, felt at that time, you know, we’re glad we have the mob here, you know, taking care of taking care of business as such because people felt safer then. But the corporations took over and it wasn’t the same. And the good thing about the mob, if you will, being law enforcement, probably not such a good thing from my viewpoint. But that’s true. You know, they didn’t they didn’t worry about such niceties as probable cause or due process. That’s right. Roofed your hands or kicked the shit out of you.

[16:46] That’s right, yep. But, you know, it worked. It worked. I mean, friendship was friendship. But, again, like you say, you know, you don’t cross them. You know, loyalty is very strong within the underworld.

[16:59] And as long as you, you know, keep straight and follow the rules, you’re pretty okay. But, yeah, you make one misstep and that can be, you know, bang, bang. Really? You end up in the desert somewhere.

[17:15] So I guess, you know, we’ve got this Hollywood and Chicago boys. It sounds like a really interesting book. And you’ve got a bunch of other interesting books. Tell the guys a little bit about them. If you can entice them. You’ve got this. We talked about we may do this whole show on this.

[17:33] Desperados, Gangsters of the Dirty 30s. Is that about John Dillinger and those guys like that? Well, you know, that’s another book that I wanted to look into for some kind of different research. And the thing about that book is I found, I mean, I was never there, so I don’t know the facts, but I did a lot of research into different areas of that. And a lot of what was officially reported is questioned, is controversy. For instance, the Dillinger actually, actually Dillinger who was killed outside the biograph. Well, there’s a lot of information out there that kind of says, you know what? he might have gotten away and somebody else was used as a passy. That would have been Jimmy Lawrence who resembled Dillinger.

[18:14] Because apparently after Dillinger was shot, his father said, that’s not Johnny, his own father. There were some differences. Apparently, he had an appendix scar that Dillinger didn’t have. He had a heart condition that Dillinger apparently didn’t have because he was quite athletic. These are the kind of things I wanted to put into that book. Ma Barker, for instance. Was Ma Barker really the mastermind of the Barker-Karpus gang? A criminal named Blackie Audette said, that’s ridiculous. She couldn’t even prepare breakfast, never mind putting together a bank robbery scheme. And then there’s the Alvin Karpis story. Was he actually personally arrested by J. Edgar Hoover, or did Hoover come out after he was already safely in cuffs to reap the glory? There’s a lot of stories there that are just fascinating. You know what happened there. I’ve been a policeman. I know what happened there. He wanted the glory.

[19:06] He had him wait or whatever, or they had him, and he showed up about the same time, and they released a story and got a few photos.

[19:17] Well, that’s the thing, because he was being criticized because his people were doing the work, and they said, well, Hoover himself has never made an arrest, so they set this whole thing up there. And once he was safely secured, Karpis, Hoover came out, and he was kind of recognized as the hero of the day there. So to the day he died, Elvin Karpis said, no, he said, that’s not true. In fact, his exact words were the story of Hoover the Hero is false. Yeah, I believe that one. I believe that one.

[19:51] Like I say, I mean, you know, I wasn’t there at the time. So basically all you do is research and try to throw different, you know, okay, is this the official version? Is it believable or it could be? I mean, look at Pretty Boy Floyd. There’s another story about him that he might have been assassinated because he knew the truth about the Kansas City massacre, that he wasn’t involved in that. And I believe he wasn’t. Yeah, well. Well, I bet those agents thought he was, and there was no quarter spared, I got a feeling, because that FBI agent, the first FBI agent that ever was killed was killed in that. And I think they believed that pretty boy Floyd, if he wasn’t the trigger man on it, he was there, and that was all they needed, especially back in those days. Well, that was Raymond Caffrey, yeah, he was the FBI agent who was killed. But see, the thing is, Floyd was living well in Kansas City. That was a good hideout for a lot of criminals at that time. They were protected if they had the money. So the question is, why would he risk? And he was quite identifiable too. Why would he risk doing an act like that when he was protected and he had a pretty good life there?

[21:03] So after he was shot apparently in the field there, they asked him if he was involved. He said, I had nothing to do with that. And apparently the original story is that he died. But then I’ve heard that after that, because he was denying it, that they actually put a bullet into him. So, again, true or not, I don’t know. But it’s interesting to speculate. Really? So one more about you. You did a post-World War II New York underworld book called Requiem for a Gangster. You want to tell us a little bit about that one? Well, that’s a total fiction book. A total fiction, okay. Yeah, it’s just a gangster story I wanted to write. It’s kind of based on various movies I’ve seen. I thought I’d take various aspects of films I enjoy and put them together into a story around this one guy who comes out of prison and wants to go straight, but he falls in with his boyhood pal who’s also released from prison, but he’s back into the gang, into the racket lifestyle. And the circumstances that bring the main character back into that sphere.

[22:13] So it’s just like I say, just a fun read. Okay. All right. Interesting. Well, you’ve got a whole bunch of Western books where you guys are interested in Western books. I’ve got a good friend. I’m going to have to turn him on to you. He loves Westerns. I mean, this guy loves Westerns. So he’s retired now, and he’s reading, I think, a book a week right now. I have to turn him on to you. I appreciate that. I enjoyed writing Westerns. In fact, I would have probably kept up with them, but both of my Western publishers decided to cease publishing Western books because they said people weren’t buying cowboy novels. And that’s unfortunate because, you know, back in the 60s, that’s all you ever had were Westerns. You had the books, you had the TV series, movies, and they say nowadays, no, people just aren’t really buying Westerns. And that’s unfortunate because they’re a fun genre to write.

[23:04] Yeah i bet they are i mean that’s i was i was born in brance where i became a policeman i mean instead of getting a horse and a 30 30 and a 45 hope they gave me a police car and a shotgun, well you’re a lot you’re yeah you’re a modern day lawman there you go, we’re we were just uh in the 70s when i came on all those young guys baby boomers we were just young cowboys out there riding the streets.

[23:33] Well, a modern day sheriff, you can’t do better than that, that’s for sure. Really? Yeah, I was reading your background, I was very impressed, I thought, wow, you did a lot in your life too, you know. Oh, I’ve done a little bit, I guess, I get bored easily, I think, I’m always looking for another challenge.

[23:51] Well, that’s the way to keep active and young. There you go. You can’t say there’s anything wrong with it. That’s for sure. Really. I haven’t started working on a screenplay. One of my stories was this guy that’s never sold a screenplay, but he’s worked on it. I don’t know. He’s got it done. He sent it off to somebody who he never heard anything back. But you know how that goes. You’ve probably done a screenplay or two in your life. It’s a tough world. No, I haven’t done that, but I still keep on hoping somebody might pick up one of my books for a movie. You know, I wish I could have run into one of the production people here who were filming the Travolta movie, and I would have loved to have maybe given them a book or something and say, well, here’s something you might want to consider for the future. Really? Oh, yeah. Guys, Stone is the one. He lives in Winnipeg, and he was telling me, I put it on my Facebook page the other day, that they’re filming this new Tony Accardo movie. And I think it’s going to be something about the murder of JFK, but I’m not sure. Johnny Roselli, John Travolta is going to play Johnny Roselli, we think, and Manny Patinkin, I can never know how to spell that, just to pronounce that name, is going to be Tony Accardo. And they’ve been actually filmed some shots up in Winnipeg. What else can you tell the guys about that?

[25:06] You know, I really don’t know too much because I actually just found out about that recently. I heard that John Travolta was not coming to Winnipeg, but until a few days ago or maybe a week or so I didn’t even know what the movie was about so I just did some checking to say okay Travolta is the one that big what’s going on and it’s already he’s making this movie it’s a story about the mob’s possible involvement in the assassination of JFK and it looks like you’ve got all these real life characters who are going to be a part of this so yeah I don’t know too much more than that I wish I did but I’m going to certainly be in line to see that movie and I’m not sure if it’s going to

[25:40] be a theatrical film or maybe it’ll go right to television and HBO or something. I don’t know. But I’m going to be watching out for it. All right. Don Wallace, it’s been a pleasure having you on. One last thing you would like to tell everybody. Uh, well, it’s just, it’s, it’s been my pleasure speaking with you. I can say I’m very impressed with what you’ve done. I admire your, uh, your background and, uh, and I love the fact that you’re doing a podcast that deals with a subject that I’m particularly fond of. And if anybody is interested in my book, it’s available on Amazon. Uh, it’s, and it’s, uh, uh, online and I believe Barnes and Nobles and the bookstores of that type. So if anybody’s interested in taking a look at it, uh, it’s, it’s available there. And I hope that anybody who does read it enjoys it and has fun with it.

[26:28] All right, Stone. And guys, I’ll have links to the Amazon page for Hollywood and Chicago Boys by Stone Wallace. And you can click on his other link on that Amazon page. You can see the other books he’s written if you’re interested in Desperados, Gangsters of the Dirty 30s or Requiem for a Gangster. Or you want to see some Western, read a Western or two like my friend Bobby. So thanks a lot for coming on the show oh and one and one more thing if anybody’s interested you can check out my website oh you got a website oh you do I forgot I’m sorry I forgot no not a problem tell us about it yeah it’s www.com, www.stonewallis.net and it talks about the books I’ve written, some of the interviews I’ve done with some celebrities such as Lloyd Nolan, Robert Stack, Anthony Quinn. So it might be interesting if anybody wants to take a peek at that and see what some of my background is. And the other writing I do, I do a lot of freelance for various magazines. Pardon me, like I’m a regular contributor to the Jolson Journal and Nostalgia Digest. In fact, their summer issue just has my Dan Deerrier story. So if anybody’s interested in checking it out, it’s there. All right. That’s stonewallis.net. Now, guys, that’s .net, N-E-T, don’t do .com. That’s right. That’s right. Because I’ve made that mistake before. Well, there’s no website here. I’ve done this with somebody else. That’s a .net.

[27:55] All right, Stone. Thanks so much for coming on. Well, thank you so much for having me. It’s been a real pleasure speaking with you, Gary. Thank you. All right. Good. Don’t forget, I like to ride motorcycles. So when you’re out on the streets there and you’re a big F-150, watch out for those little motorcycles when you’re out. If you have a problem with PTSD and you’ve been in the service, be sure and go to the VA website. They’ll help with your drugs and alcohol problem. If you’ve got that problem or gambling, if not, you can go to Anthony Ruggiano. He’s a counselor down in Florida. He’s got a hotline on his website. If you’ve got a problem with gambling, most states will have, if you have gambling, most states will have a hotline number to call. Just have to search around for it. You know, I’ve always got stuff to sell. I got my books. I got my movies. They’re all on Amazon. Just go. And I got links down below in the show notes and just go to my Amazon sales page and you can figure out what to do. I really apprec