What does it really look like to balance faith, culture, and calling in today’s world? In this episode of The Holy Middle, Chandler Petrak sits down with Pastor Jonathan Rivers to dig into the tough questions pastors and Christians face every day.
From navigating ministry when it gets heavy, to keeping theology practical and people-focused, to the “holy middle” in cultural debates — this conversation is full of insight, honesty, and a little coffee-fueled humor along the way.
Whether you’re called to ministry, leadership, or simply want to think deeply about faith in real life, this episode is for you.
0:00 — Intro
2:15 — Theology vs. Pastoral Compassion
10:30 — Structuring Time with God
18:45 — Coffee with a Biblical Character
27:00 — Faith & Culture: Finding the Middle
40:15 — Lessons from Early Ministry Mistakes
55:00 — Rapid-Fire Reflections
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