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Are Catholics doing Christian nationalism, too? I thought that was just a Protestant thing. But just look at the court! And these other guys! How did we come from a place 100 years ago where Catholics in America were an oppressed minority, targets of anti-immigrant legislation and harassment by the KKK, to now - where a network of Catholic hardliners sit at the height of political power? Are they working hand in hand with evangelical Protestant and apostolic Pentecostal Christian nationalists? And what does that mean for the future of religious freedom in America?

Dr. Karen Park is Professor of Theology and Religious Studies at St. Norbert College, in De Pere, Wisconsin. She has written widely on Marian devotion and shrines and American religion and popular culture, with work appearing in Religion Dispatches and Sojourners. She holds a PhD from the Divinity School of the University of Chicago and co-edited the book American Patroness: Marian Shrines and the Making of US Catholicism, a collection of twelve essays that examine the historical and contemporary roles of Marian shrines in US Catholicism released in early 2024 by Fordham University Press. 

Episode 48: The Catholic Strain of Christian Nationalism

Guest: Dr. Karen Park - Professor of Theology and Religious Studies, St. Norbert College

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Episode 47: Rural Progressives Are Having A Moment... And A Summit

Guest: Michelle Higgs - (D) Candidate for Indiana House District 60

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Michelle Higgs is a community leader, wife, mom of three, and a Martinsville High School alumna. She is Hoosier through and through and loves country roads and the smell of spring rain and fresh-cut grass. Motivated by her deep faith, she strives to build a community that honors the sacredness of all.

Rooted in Hoosier hospitality, Michelle decided to run to represent the people of House District 60 because she knows that when more of us can shape the decisions that impact our lives–whether at the Statehouse or in our workplace–we all do better.

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https://www.startribune.com/beyond-his-flannel-shirt-and-camo-hat-tim-walz-has-made-his-mark-in-the-politics-of-fish-and-game/600966573

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/09/us/tim-walz-coach.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/tim-walz-midwestern-dad-kamala-harris-2024-8

https://www.motor1.com/news/729257/tim-walz-ford-repair/

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-politics-minnesota-state-government-timothy-walz-11c3b1d5269c929e442b979ff1bac73b

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/07/tim-walz-minnesota-trans-refuge-bill/

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/03/17/gov-signs-universal-school-meals-bill-into-law

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/house-passes-k-12-spending-package-that-includes-2-2-billion-education-boost/

https://www.ohe.state.mn.us/sPages/northstarpromise.cfm

https://www.kaaltv.com/news/approval-rates-for-minnesota-leaders/

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/state-by-state.html

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html?mod=article_inline

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/13/us/politics/the-white-working-class-vote.html?ref=multimedia

https://scottaaronrogers.substack.com/p/episode-44-wouldnt-you-like-to-be

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https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/rural-voters-democrats-biden/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/white-rural-rage-criticism/677967/

Interview Citations:

Mourdock “inflict my opinion”: https://rollcall.com/2012/06/14/indiana-democrats-hit-richard-mourdock-with-first-spot/

School choice hurts rural areas: https://www.ncpecoalition.org/ruralvouchers

$1 School Law: https://indianacitizen.org/bargain-buildings-charter-school-dollar-law-may-have-new-life/

Todd Huston benefits from school privatization: https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/2023/03/24/virtual-school-funding-increase-aids-house-speakers-client/

Cliff Effect: https://www.circlesusa.org/research/cliff-effect/

Evangelicals changed positions on abortion: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/10/abortion-history-right-white-evangelical-1970s-00031480

Phyllis Schlafly’s long-game: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/obituaries/phyllis-schlafly-conservative-leader-and-foe-of-era-dies-at-92.html

Institutional owners of single-family homes: https://nlihc.org/resource/gao-releases-report-institutional-investments-single-family-rental-housing

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If you’ve been following this space, you certainly already know that Indiana Republican delegates selected Noblesville pastor and avowed Christian nationalist Micah Beckwith as their nominee for lieutenant governor at their convention in mid-June. With that as a jumping off point, we spoke with IU-Indianapolis sociology professor Dr. Andrew Whitehead back in Episode 41. He gave us a great 101-level introduction to Christian Nationalism, and I highly recommend listening to that conversation before diving into this episode, though it isn’t absolutely necessary.

Again, using Beckwith as an entry point, we’ll be looking at a particularly virulent strain of Christian nationalism - the New Apostolic Reformation, described by the man who named and built the movement as “the most radical change in how churches operate since the Protestant Reformation.”

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https://icjs.org/people/matthew-d-taylor/

https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/2024/06/15/hoosier-gop-insiders-spurn-party-establishment-nominate-beckwith-for-lg/

https://scottaaronrogers.substack.com/p/episode-41-handling-snakes-christian

https://icjs.org/charismatic-revival-fury/

https://www.freedomoverfascism.us

https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-violent-take-it-by-force-the-christian-movement-that-is-threatening-our-democracy-matthew-d-taylor/21000760

https://www.salon.com/2024/01/02/meet-the-new-apostolic-reformation-cutting-edge-of-the-christian-right/

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/essay/pentecostal-theology/

https://survivingchurch.org/2016/10/25/c-peter-wagner-1930-2016-rip/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Jacobs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneutics

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/new-apostolic-reformation-mtg-mastriano-dutch-sheets-1234584952/

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG6pb2Dh8yfgHsWKghqKO-rcnqm6-XN-Z

https://lancewallnau.com/category/7-mountains/

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/seven-mountain-mandate/

https://religionnews.com/2024/05/06/how-trumpism-has-pushed-a-fringe-charismatic-theology-into-the-mainstream/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/she-led-trump-to-christ-the-rise-of-the-televangelist-who-advises-the-white-house/2017/11/13/1dc3a830-bb1a-11e7-be94-fabb0f1e9ffb_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/27/paula-white-donald-trump-pastor-evangelicals

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/donald-trump-2016-norman-vincent-peale-213220/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-12-16/ty-article/trumps-compared-to-persian-king-cyrus-will-he-build-the-third-temple/0000017f-f882-d887-a7ff-f8e67abc0000

https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1770873525835829639

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/mike-johnson-christian-nationalist-appeal-to-heaven-flag-1234873851/

https://www.bangordailynews.com/2024/05/23/hancock/hancock-culture/mdi-maine-leonard-leo-appeal-to-heaven-flag-same-justice-alito/

https://www.janetdouglasministries.com/city-gate-indiana.html

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Episode 45: Spilling the Tea on 83

Guest: Kyle Thele - (D) Candidate for Indiana State House, District 83

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Christopher Judy’s record:

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/19432/51539/149623/prohibits-the-government-from-burdening-the-exercise-of-religion#51539

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/03/26/395583706/indianas-governor-signs-religious-freedom-bill

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/35567/94641/149623/prohibits-the-instruction-of-human-sexuality-in-students-from-pre-k-through-grade-three#94641

https://www.aclu-in.org/en/press-releases/disgraceful-dont-say-gay-bill-advances-indiana-legislature-putting-lgbtq-youth-risk

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/32261/84341/149623/prohibits-transgender-girls-from-playing-on-female-sports-teams#84341

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/31383/81452/149623/requires-presenting-valid-identification-to-request-an-absentee-ballot-online#81452

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/33145/87612/149623/increases-requirements-for-mail-in-voting#87612

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/34189/90715/149623/increases-restrictions-on-voter-registration#90715

https://www.indianahouserepublicans.com/news/press-releases/judy-statement-on-gov.-holcomb-deploying-indiana-national-guard-for-texas-border-security-mission/

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/36805/98671/149623/amends-state-university-tenure-promotion-and-diversity-policies#98671

https://wsbt.com/news/operation-education/controversial-indiana-senate-bill-passes-house-amidst-heavy-opposition-from-academics

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/21231/55615/149623/authorizes-higher-wages-for-hard-to-fill-teaching-positions#55615

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/32260/84338/149623/prohibits-teaching-certain-concepts-on-race-gender-and-ethnicity#84338

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/32799/86031/149623/requires-distribution-of-funds-to-certain-charter-schools#86031

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/34977/92406/149623/authorizes-teachers-to-keep-firearms-in-classrooms#92406

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/30500/78688/149623/authorizes-carrying-a-firearm-without-a-permit#78688

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/34551/91302/149623/prohibits-and-criminalizes-machine-gun-conversion-devices#91302

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/27453/70326/149623/expands-stand-your-ground-laws#70326

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/21216/55575/149623/amends-abortion-regulations#55575

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/24443/62458/149623/amends-abortion-regulations#62458

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/27458/70331/149623/authorizes-health-providers-to-abstain-from-participating-in-abortion-procedures#70331

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/33163/87729/149623/prohibits-all-abortions-unless-under-certain-circumstances#87729

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Episode 44: Wouldn’t You Like To Be a Pepper, Too?

Guest: David Pepper - author; activist; former Chairman, Ohio Democratic Party

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Progress and backlash: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/white-backlash-nothing-new/611914/

Dems state-level collapse: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/10/14211994/obama-democrats-downballot

Exploitation of minoritarian institutions: https://www.law.georgetown.edu/public-policy-journal/in-print-2/volume-22-1-winter-2024/the-crisis-of-minority-rule-in-american-democracy/

Dr. Oz’s awful abortion answer: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/politics/oz-abortion-debate-pennsylvania-senate/index.html

Republicans project REDMAP: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/06/27/ratfcked-the-influence-of-redistricting

Indiana the OG of voter ID laws: https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-disappointed-supreme-courts-voter-id-decision

Shelby v. Holder 2013: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/court-cases/shelby-county-v-holder

Swiss cheese model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model

Article IV Section 4: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-4/section-4/

Alabama seat flips after IVF ruling: https://apnews.com/article/alabama-ivf-abortion-legislature-378c3fa32dcfc2d0401f3893828482af

“Motor Voter” Act: https://www.justice.gov/crt/about-national-voter-registration-act

Biden admin using VA to register voters: https://www.npr.org/2024/06/30/nx-s1-5005001/biden-voter-registration-executive-order

Democracy winning streak: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/6/24/2248335/-The-Greatest-Story-Never-Told-The-Democratic-Winning-Streak

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Episode 43: Bringing the Hurt to Washington - Part II

Guest: Erik Hurt (D) - Candidate for Indiana’s 8th Congressional District

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Shortage of trades workers: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/4583268-labor-crisis-why-is-there-a-shortage-of-plumbers-and-electricians/

Why the humanities matter: https://www.catalinamunoz.me/p/why-the-humanities-matter-more-than

We have enough money for lots of stuff; billionaires are hoarding it: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/13/billionaires-taxes-inequality-one-percent

Corporate extortion: https://www.governing.com/finance/tax-incentives-the-losing-gamble-states-and-cities-keep-making.html

They took our jobs!: https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/%22They_took_our_jobs!%22

Immigrants commit LESS crime: https://www.npr.org/2024/03/08/1237103158/immigrants-are-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-than-us-born-americans-studies-find

Immigration can reverse rural population decline: https://www.fwd.us/news/rural-decline/

“The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for”: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pastor-dave-barnhart-unborn/

Messmer’s priorities: https://www.markmessmer.com/issues/

Evansville Mayor Stephanie Terry: https://teamevansville.com/

Terre Haute Mayor Brandon Sakbun: https://news.iu.edu/live/news/34123-from-iu-graduation-to-terre-haute-mayors-office-in

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SPECIAL EPISODE: LG Candidate Terry Goodin

Guest: Terry Goodin (D) - Candidate for Lieutenant Governor

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Indiana’s unusual party convention system - https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/you-asked-what-role-state-party-conventions-play-in-indiana-weve-got-answers

Goodin’s past - https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/illinois/articles/2024-06-20/mccormicks-running-mate-has-conservative-past-goodin-says-he-reversed-idea-on-abortion-marriage

2018 Politico profile on Goodin - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/11/terry-goodin-rural-democrats-indiana-216273/

Jesse Brown Newsletter - https://www.jesseforindy.com/contact-us

LG opponent Clif Marsiglio - https://clifmars.com/

LBJ and Biden’s progressive record. - https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/24/lesson-lyndon-johnson-joe-biden-progressives-bernie-sanders-column/2999880001/

French election results - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0478d1zrldo

Lucy and the football - https://slate.com/culture/2014/10/the-history-of-lucys-pulling-the-football-away-from-charlie-brown-in-peanuts.html

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Episode 42: Bringing the Hurt to Washington - Part I

Guest: Erik Hurt (D) - Candidate for Indiana’s 8th Congressional District

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Indiana uncontested Statehouse seats: https://ballotpedia.org/Indiana_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2024

Indiana uncontested State Senate seats: https://ballotpedia.org/Indiana_State_Senate_elections,_2024

Indiana 50th in voter turnout: https://fox59.com/news/politics/in-focus-indiana-ranks-50th-in-voter-turnout/

Moneyball: https://bookshop.org/p/books/moneyball-the-art-of-winning-an-unfair-game-michael-lewis/8746488

Government should not be run like a business: https://hbr.org/2017/03/the-u-s-cannot-be-run-like-a-business

The American Dream is dead: https://www.newsweek.com/american-dream-dead-opinion-1917153

Meritocracy is a myth: https://www.vox.com/videos/2021/4/2/22349990/education-inequality-meritocracy-myth

Collectivism a necessary virtue: https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/09/1047042

The peril of rugged individualism: https://www.thehastingscenter.org/rugged-american-individualism-is-a-myth-and-its-killing-us/

The radicalism of public libraries: https://depauliaonline.com/57226/opinions/opinion-are-libraries-radical/

The stigma of public transportation: https://ui.charlotte.edu/story/overcoming-stigma-riding-bus/

The privatization of everything: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/05/04/five-step-process-privatize-everything

Schools as community hubs: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/schools-as-community-hubs-integrating-support-services-to-drive-educational-outcomes/

Vouchers hurt rural schools: https://www.ncpecoalition.org/ruralvouchers

Stocks a poor measure of the full economy: https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2023/03/17/myth-busting-the-economy-drives-the-stock-market/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/12/occupy-wall-street-10-years-on

Fight for $15 not enough: https://thehill.com/lobbying/4170972-15-an-hour-isnt-enough-u-s-workers-need-to-earn-a-living-wage/

USA medical wait times are long NOW: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/truth-wait-times-universal-coverage-systems/

Medicare for All is actually cheaper: https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/

COVID as an argument FOR universal health care: https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/yale-study-more-than-335000-lives-could-have-been-saved-during-pandemic-if-us-had-universal-health-care/

History of attempts at universal health care in US: https://pnhp.org/a-brief-history-universal-health-care-efforts-in-the-us/

Boomers pulled up the ladder on future generations: https://fortune.com/2023/10/28/great-wealth-transfer-baby-boomers-bank-of-america-millennials-government-policy/

CEO pay growth since Reagan: https://www.progressivecaucuscenter.org/the-ceo-pay-problem-and-what-we-can-do-about-it

Education a matter of national defense: https://www.britannica.com/topic/National-Defense-Education-Act

Interstate highway system ALSO a defense project: https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/national-interstate-and-defense-highways-act

Student loan scandal: https://revealnews.org/article/who-got-rich-off-the-student-debt-crisis/

Cost to attend IU: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/indiana-university-bloomington-1809/paying

The government can’t run out of money: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/4/16/18251646/modern-monetary-theory-new-moment-explained

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Episode 41: Handling Snakes: Christian Nationalism in Indiana

Guest: Dr. Andrew Whitehead, professor at the Center for the Study of Religion and American Culture at IU-Indianapolis.

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https://raac.indianapolis.iu.edu/about/who-we-are/our-staff/andrew-l-whitehead/

Beckwith 3 reasons: https://fb.watch/t1GYetE-FM/

Bad theology: https://www.tiktok.com/@deconstruct_with_paige/video/7194943692052925738

Beckwith on Ballotpedia: https://ballotpedia.org/Micah_Beckwith

God did January 6: https://rumble.com/v51y8ro-january-7-2021-micah-beckwith-claims-god-took-credit-for-january-6-insurrec.html

Anti-vax rally: https://crossroadsreport.substack.com/p/revolt-in-indiana-as-patriots-pick

Demonic mask mandates: https://www.fortwaynepolitics.com/p/people-say-wow-thats-super-extreme

4500 religious exemptions: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/micahbeckwith_micah-beckwith-did-not-sit-on-the-sidelines-activity-7201288811509653504-koeb/

Moms for Liberty quotes Hitler: https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/indiana-chapter-of-moms-for-liberty-features-hitler-quote-in-first-newsletter

Beckwith appointed to library board: https://readthereporter.com/fishers-reader-has-questions-about-hepl-board-appointment/

Book ban policy: https://fox59.com/news/hamilton-east-library-board-could-reverse-controversial-book-policy-with-new-member/

Indiana Family Institute: https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Indiana_Family_Institute

Leaked Bopp memo: https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/indiana-republican-memo-jim-bopp-nominee-micah-beckwith-mike-braun

How Beckwith defines Christian nationalism: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/micahbeckwith_the-people-in-the-media-like-james-briggs-activity-7207028556864856064-m26T/

ARDA: https://www.thearda.com/

PRRI: https://www.prri.org/

Whitehead on Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/contributors/andrew-l-whitehead-fad3bfbb-c6da-4772-8c0b-b203b8327553

2019 Whitehead article: https://academic.oup.com/socrel/article/79/2/147/4825283

Snake handling: https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/snake-handling/

“In Christian nationalist Indiana…”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Soviet_Russia

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HoosLeft Podcast, Episode 40: Holding the Line Against MAGA Extremism

Guest: Derrick Holder, Democrat for US House of Representatives (IN-04)

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Marine Corps values: https://www.marines.com/life-as-a-marine/standards/values.html

Corporate greed causing inflation: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/19/us-inflation-caused-by-corporate-profits

Student loan interest is unconscionable: https://www.insidehighered.com/opinion/views/2023/09/26/its-time-end-student-loan-interest-racket-opinion

Immigration in Indiana: https://map.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/locations/indiana/

Colbert on the “Take My Job” initiative:

Deep Dive on the Border Crisis from UNFTR: https://www.unftr.com/episodes/unftr116

3-year olds deposed in immigration court: https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/27/immigrant-toddlers-ordered-appear-court-alone/

Immigration could stem rural population outflow: https://www.fwd.us/news/rural-decline/

GOP sets sights on contraception next: https://prospect.org/health/2024-06-06-republican-party-coming-for-birth-control/

Childcare costs as a barrier to work: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/child-care-crisis-keeping-women-workforce/

Voters still care about January 6: https://newjerseymonitor.com/2024/06/01/as-voters-consider-their-white-house-choice-is-jan-6-a-factor/

Meet Derrick and other Democratic candidates at Hendricks County Pride: https://www.facebook.com/HendricksCountyPride/

Israeli settlement in Gaza: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/04/in-israel-former-gush-katif-settlers-dream-of-returning-to-the-gaza-strip_6399897_4.html

Hamas would settle for 1967 borders: https://apnews.com/article/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders-4912532b11a9cec29464eab234045438

Religious sites literally on top of one another: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-05-18/ty-article-static/.premium/dome-of-contention-a-tour-of-temple-mount-al-aqsa-compound/00000188-19ec-d6ba-a9cf-bfee95510000

“Gee, Davey…” https://blog.catholicwritersguild.com/2011/09/gee-davey.html

US moves Israeli embassy to Jerusalem: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44120428

Jerusalem as UN headquarters and International city: https://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/jerusalem-moving-headquarters/

ProPublica on Supreme Court corruption: https://www.propublica.org/series/supreme-court-scotus

Congress is responsible for regulating the court: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/congress-has-authority-regulate-supreme-court-ethics-and-duty

Mike Braun thinks Loving v. Virginia was incorrect:🤦‍♂️ https://fox59.com/indiana-news/sen-mike-braun-said-interracial-marriage-ruling-should-be-left-to-states/

Ginni Thomas is an insurrectionist: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/who-is-ginni-thomas-and-why-is-she-important-to-the-jan-6-hearings

Jim Baird an election denier: https://electiondeniers.org/indiana

Baird statement on Mayorkas sham impeachment: https://baird.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=352

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