Karl Vaters joins Tom and Sean to talk about his new book De-Sizing the Church and how our obsession with bigness is hurting our witness.

Dr. Dan Borg, Regional Director for PIR Ministries joins Tom and Sean to talk about how pastors can help one another grow as preachers with a new initiative he calls Preacher to Preacher.

Tim Young, PIR Regional Director, joins Tom and Sean to share his framework for working through the wilderness places in ministry.

Chuck DeGroat joins Sean to talk about what an associate pastor should do if they find themselves serving under a narcissistic leader.

Tom and Sean talk about how to form a discernment group to help you get "unstuck" or to clarify your way forward. Learn how discerning God's will as a group can be a hope giving experience.

Pastor David Henderson joins Tom and Sean to talk about how pastors and churches can maintain a spirit of love in the face of anger, bitterness, fear, and contentious times.

Karl Vaters joins Tom and Sean to talk about his sabbatical experience. Karl worked with Sean to plan his sabbatical and he shares what that was like and how it helped his whole sabbatical.

For more on Karl Vaters' sabbatical listen to this episode on The Church Lobby Podcast:

PIR Executive Director Roy Yanke joins Tom once again to help interview Sean about part 3 of The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout. This discussion centers around the spiritual practices of lament, surrender, and abiding in God's love as the keys to the transformation into being a burnout-proof leader. They guys also discuss the characteristics of a healthy Christian leader and the importance of practicing Sabbath and forming a Rule of Life. 

Tom, Sean, and PIR Executive Director Roy Yankee discuss part two of The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout. They cover the necessary steps to recover from burnout and develop resilience and discuss the theological heart of the book - what it means to be in Christ.

To learn more, or preorder a copy of the book visit wearyleadersguide.com

PIR Executive Director, Roy Yanke, joins Tom and Sean to talk in more detail about the first part of The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout. This section of Sean's new book asks "What is burnout and what causes it?"