Nelson Dellis can memorize a shuffled deck of cards in under 30 seconds, and he's won the USA Memory Championship six times. But he didn't start with a special memory. He built it from scratch, and he's adamant that nobody wins a memory competition on natural talent. In this conversation we get into how he actually trains, how watching his grandmother's decline from Alzheimer's set him on this path, and what it would take for you to build a memory like his.

Links:

• Nelson Dellis's book Everyday Genius: nelsondellis.com/everyday-genius
• Pre-order The Genius and the Impostor: GeniusAndImpostor.com
• Nelson's Instagram: @nelzor
• Josh's Instagram: @brainjojosh

Music by Jullienne Ellen (@julienneellencomposes)