Do we still need programmers in the age of AI? In this episode, I sit down with Grigorij Dudnik, creator of Clean Coder AI —an agent-based AI framework that aims to transform how we build software.

We dive deep into the future of programming, where AI agents take over the repetitive tasks and senior developers act more like managers than coders. Grigorij breaks down how his open-source tool works, how it's already being used in real-world web applications, and why separating AI agent roles (planner, coder, manager) actually boosts performance—just like in human teams.

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We also talk about the startup that inspired it all: a heartfelt project to preserve memories of loved ones. Plus, there's some philosophical reflection on AI's potential risks—not in a Terminator way, but in a "we're all getting too lazy" kind of way. And yes, there’s even a robot powered by a Raspberry Pi that makes moral decisions. This episode is packed with insights, stories, and some wild but real visions of the near future.

Get in contact with Grigorij, ask him anything about AI and programming, on LinkedIn 🚀

And look at the Clean Coder AI on GitHub - don't forget to rate the project 🤖

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