The governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, is hoping to be the next president of the United States.

To become the Republican nominee, Ron DeSantis knows who he needs to win over: religious Americans who oppose things like abortion and gay rights.

He’s called upon an unlikely figure for help – an Australian preacher known for his outspoken conservative views.

Today, author of Beyond Belief: How Pentecostal Christianity Is Taking Over the World and contributor to The Saturday Paper Elle Hardy, on how a pastor from rural Victoria has become a feature of the Republican race to the White House. 

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Guest: Author of Beyond Belief: How Pentecostal Christianity Is Taking Over the World Elle Hardy

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