A conversation with Phil Francis, the chair of the Coalition to Protect America’s National Parks, and Joan Anzelmo, a longtime spokesperson for numerous National Park Service units, about Interior Secretary David Bernhardt’s rush to reopen national parks despite warnings from career NPS staff about risks to employees and the public.

Background reading

* As National Parks Remain Open, Staffers Worry They Are at Risk [Sierra Magazine]* Interior Secretary wants people to socially distance despite photos of him doing the opposite [CNN]

Host/producer: Aaron WeissFeedback: [email protected]Music: Purple PlanetPhoto: Wolf in road, Yellowstone National Park, Jacob W. Frank, NPS