This discussion ranges from ancient Christians in Rome to pioneers in Missouri, drawing parallels between disciples across centuries who were “proved” through suffering. Gunnar and Rebecca share insights on agency, commandments as invitations to happiness, and the promise that the Lord will guide us “in the very moment” when we act in faith. They explore how trials cultivate deep spiritual roots and how joy in Christ is full—even in the face of death. The episode closes with the reminder that every trial is an opportunity to choose discipleship and discover “news from heaven.”