Luke Jones sits in for Matt Chorley. How does a country join NATO? He speaks to Mary Elise Sarotte is a Professor of Post-Cold War history at John Hopkins University and the author of Not One Inch, Tytti Tuppurainen, the Finnish Minister for European Affairs and Torbjorn Sjostrom from the Swedish polling company Novus. 

PLUS minister Andrew Griffith and columnists James Marriott and Manveen Rana on the news that the government's plans to send migrants to Rwanda for processing.

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