In this episode, Joel sits down with the incredibly impressive Ronnie Martin who is the co-host of The Happy Rant Podcast, pastor of Substance Church, singer-songwriter with a Christmas Album just released,  Producer, and Author of a recent Advent Devotional, among other things. In this discussion, Joel and Ronnie talk about how God guided him and worked in him to get him to this place with so many things going on as well as why the Pastor is an underserved leader in the church.