Scaling DevTools

How not to do Open Source Licensing, with Trigger.dev founders Matt Aitken and Eric Allam


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There are more and more open source DevTools startups. I’ve interviewed dozens. But I am still confused about open source licenses. So I decided to ask questions to two people who actually understand them: my friends Eric and Matt - founders of open source background jobs tool Trigger.dev.

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What we discuss:

  • Two Key Questions for License Selection
  • What are the benefits of permissive licenses?
  • What are the main licenses?
  • Why shouldn’t you write your own (open source) license?
  • What is Copyleft?
  • Post Open Source" Movement

  • (00:50) - Open Source Licensing
  • (18:18) - Protective Licensing
  • (23:12) - Copy Left Concept
  • (43:30) - Wordpress

  • Trigger:

    • Eric Allam - https://x.com/maverickdotdev 
    • Matt Aitken - https://x.com/mattaitken
    • Trigger.dev https://trigger.dev/
    • JSON Hero https://jsonhero.io/ 

    Licenses

    • MIT License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License - Matt’s “most permissive license”
    • Apache-2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_License - “Like MIT but with trademarks”
    • FSL / Fair Source License https://fair.io/ - created by Sentry
    • Heather Meeker - Open Source Licencing expert https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermeeker/ 
    • A practical guide to Open Source Licencing https://www.amazon.co.uk/Open-Source-Business-Practical-Licensing/dp/1544737645 

    References

    • Sentry https://sentry.io/welcome/ 
    • Redis https://redis.io/ 
    • Valkey https://valkey.io/ 
    • Clickhouse https://clickhouse.com/ 
    • Background to Continue.dev and PearAI https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/30/y-combinator-is-being-criticized-after-it-backed-an-ai-startup-that-admits-it-basically-cloned-another-ai-startup/ 
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