Jamie and Jorge speak with author, educator, and activist Jarrod Shanahan about his book, "Captives: How Rikers Island Took New York City Hostage," out now on Verso. In part 1 of this interview, Jarrod explains how the now-infamous prison at Rikers Island began as a reform, and why he chose to focus on the tenure of the progressive Anna M. Kross, who served as New York City's Commissioner of Correction from 1953-1966.

Part 2 is out for patrons on Friday!

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