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Jamie and Jorge continue their interview with author, educator, and activist Jarrod Shanahan about his book, "Captives: How Rikers Island Took New York City Hostage," out now on Verso. After wrapping up their discussion of the history of Rikers, they move into modern day territory: what came out of the great uprising of 2020, the current state of the abolitionist/communist movement, and What Is To Be Done if we truly want to make this barbaric system a thing of the past.

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