In this special episode, Dr. Rock welcomes life coach and pastor John Church for an insightful conversation on mental health, marriage, and emotional healing. John shares how a personal crisis at 30 led him to a career in counseling, and how his experiences now help others navigate anxiety, shame, and relationship struggles.

Together, they explore the impact of the pandemic on mental well-being, the role of family background, and how emotional patterns like the “shame bucket” can shape our lives. They also discuss practical tools like the Enneagram and the importance of empathy in both parenting and marriage.

Whether you're facing burnout, struggling with communication, or simply seeking clarity and encouragement, this episode offers honest, uplifting insight. John also highlights his work with the Domestic Dad initiative and why emotional support is key to long-term health.

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