This week, the fire team brings interviews Phil Klay about his article in the Atlantic tackling what exactly it is we're supposed to be telling troops when we send them to the desert year after year to fight a war no one cares about.

Read Phil's work here

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In this week's bonus episode, Nate speaks with former Canadian Air Force officer Alex Fisher about recent hijinks at the Royal Military College, what it's like to serve in the Canadian armed forces, and how weird and insane the American military seems from the outside. Read about mass punishment, Canadian-style here:

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