Growing an agency shouldn't leave you exhausted.

In this episode of Creative Outcomes, Craig Baldwin sits down with Shannon Gabor, Founder & CEO of Clever Creative, to talk about what it really takes to build an agency that lasts.

After more than 20 years in business, Shannon shares why relationships, not transactions, have been the foundation of Clever's growth, how creativity is just another form of problem solving, and why sustainable growth comes from building better systems, stronger teams, and genuine human connection.

They also discuss what solo founders often struggle with, the importance of self-awareness in leadership, and why Shannon chose a collaborative agency model over a traditional acquisition as Clever enters its next chapter with Punch.

Whether you're trying to scale your agency, become a better leader, or simply build a business that's energizing instead of draining, this conversation is full of practical wisdom.

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 Introduction & Meet Shannon Gabbor

02:00 Building Clever Creative & Early Career

08:30 Why Relationships Drive Long-Term Growth

17:30 Creativity as a Competitive Advantage

22:40 Growth Should Create Energy, Not Exhaustion

25:20 Self-Awareness, Leadership & Building Better Teams

31:00 The Reality of Being a Solo Founder

36:30 Clever's Next Chapter: Joining Punch

42:00 Final Lessons for Agency Owners