Alen speaks with architectural historian and filmmaker, Anna Ulrikke Andersen, visiting scholar at Vanderbilt. Anna discusses her research on a rehabilitation center in Montenegro frequented by Norwegians with rheumatic illnesses by the request of their medical doctor, plus her work on architect Christian Norberg-Schulz. Alen reflects on his failed attempts to reach the Mediterranean, raising questions about “being there” versus “trying” to be there and draws connections to rehabilitation.