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In this episode Nicky talk to Katey Martin, a police officer and head of counter-terrorism negotiation training in the UK, discussing her experiences and the importance of suicide prevention. 

She highlights that 95% of their call-outs in London involve crisis situations. Katey emphasises the success of negotiators in saving lives through difficult conversations. She trained as a suicide first aid instructor and, with colleague Derek Carroll, rolled out this training nationally. Katey stresses the importance of using observational language, trusting gut feelings, and having open conversations about suicide. She also mentions the prevalence of suicide thoughts among young people and the need for better training and conversations to address this issue.

Katie explains the significance of using the word "suicide" openly and not shying away from it. She discusses the impact of language on conversations about suicide and the importance of using observational language.

Katey shares a story about a parent who used an emotional label to save their child's life, highlighting the power of words and advises parents to have conversations about suicide with their children and not to fear the topic.

If you have been affected by anything in this podcast here are the numbers for you to contact. 

📞 Samaritans — Call 116 123 any time, day or night.
📱 Shout — Text 85258 for free, confidential support in the UK.
📞 PAPYRUS HOPELINEUK — Call 0800 068 4141 if you’re under 35 and struggling, or worried about someone who is.

 💬 Join our community: Courageous Conversations About Suicide

 — a safe, supportive space to listen, share, and find connection. 

You are not alone. Reaching out takes courage — and support is always here.

Resources & support (UK)

• Samaritans: 116 123 (free, 24/7)
• Shout: Text 85258 (free, 24/7)
• PAPYRUS HOPELINEUK (under 35s): 0800 068 4141

Explore more tools & training:
🌐 www.nickyperfect.com

🌐 www.thecommunicationcoach.co.uk

💬 Join our community: Courageous Conversations About Suicide

— a safe, supportive space to listen, share, and find connection.