In this episode, we are joined by my good friend and pastor, Jon Utley, This is the second time Jon has been my guest on the podcast. Jon gives us an update to his situation and shares lessons he's learned as he's dealt both with chronic illness, and pain.

My First Episode with Jon: https://youtu.be/vhxeMJ8gD1Q

How to know for sure that you’re going to Heaven: https://youtu.be/sH59j8qfJA

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