Program church is big on organization and light on disciple-making. In a day where all of our attention has been on programs, the church has become a strong operational organization that’s eclipsed our focus and vision for a culture of discipleship. Join Steve & Bert as they talk how Program Church might be a catalyst for a deconstructing journey for many Christians.

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How to Kill a Church is a podcast of indefinite length following two church planters’ journey through discovery, heartbreak, and innovation for the future of the church.

We’re doing this podcast not because we have all the answers - in fact, as you’ll hear, we have very few of them - but because we are compelled by the potential for this moment and what it could mean for those following the way of Jesus.

Follow us on this journey of discovery, lessons learned, mistakes made, and maybe, just maybe, an ancient and innovative way forward for the church of the future.

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In this episode Bert & Sherry talk origins, dating, church plant beginnings, and how COVID challenged everything they thought was good.

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How to Kill a Church is a podcast of indefinite length following two church planters’ journey through discovery, heartbreak, and innovation for the future of the church.

We’re doing this podcast not because we have all the answers - in fact, as you’ll hear, we have very few of them - but because we are compelled by the potential for this moment and what it could mean for those following the way of Jesus.

Follow us on this journey of discovery, lessons learned, mistakes made, and maybe, just maybe, an ancient and innovative way forward for the church of the future.

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In this episode Jamie and Steve Ross talk Relocation to Ventura, Replanting Arise, and the much needed Reset afforded to them by COVID-19 and the chaos of 2020.

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How to Kill a Church is a podcast of indefinite length following two church planters’ journey through discovery, heartbreak, and innovation for the future of the church.

We’re doing this podcast not because we have all the answers - in fact, as you’ll hear, we have very few of them - but because we are compelled by the potential for this moment and what it could mean for those following the way of Jesus.

Follow us on this journey of discovery, lessons learned, mistakes made, and maybe, just maybe, an ancient and innovative way forward for the church of the future.

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Join Bert & Steve for the first episode of 'How to Kill a Podcast' unpacking qualities of the church future, anti-growth strategy, and why we started this podcast in the first place.

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How to Kill a Church is a podcast of indefinite length following two church planters’ journey through discovery, heartbreak, and innovation for the future of the church.

We’re doing this podcast not because we have all the answers - in fact, as you’ll hear, we have very few of them - but because we are compelled by the potential for this moment and what it could mean for those following the way of Jesus.

Follow us on this journey of discovery, lessons learned, mistakes made, and maybe, just maybe, an ancient and innovative way forward for the church of the future.

Subscribe:

How to Kill a Church is a podcast of indefinite length following two church planters’ journey through discovery, heartbreak, and innovation for the future of the church.

We’re doing this podcast not because we have all the answers - in fact, as you’ll hear, we have very few of them - but because we are compelled by the potential for this moment and what it could mean for those following the way of Jesus.

Follow us on this journey of discovery, lessons learned, mistakes made, and maybe, just maybe, an ancient and innovative way forward for the church of the future.

Subscribe: